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Gunner Asch
2014-12-17 17:33:26 UTC
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Breaking: Cuba frees Gross in spy swap … and promised new look at US
policy? Update: Castro to make announcement; Update: US to offer full
diplomatic relations; Update: 53 political prisoners released?
posted at 9:31 am on December 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey


Alan Gross will return to the US today after spending years in a Cuban
prison for espionage. The Obama administration cut a deal for his
release that may prompt the most significant change in American policy
towards the Castro regime in decades:

Held for five years in Cuba, 65-year-old American contractor Alan
Gross has been released from prison and is en route to U.S. soil, ABC
News has learned exclusively.

In a landmark humanitarian prisoner exchange to be announced by
President Obama shortly at the White House, the agreement was reached
following more than a year of secret back channel talks at the highest
levels of both governments.

Today’s release of Gross, who is said to be in poor physical
condition, represents a first step toward normalizing relations with
the neighbor just 90-miles off the Florida coast.

So what what the trade for Gross? Three Cuban spies and an embargo to
be named later, it seems:

In return for Gross, the United States has agreed to the
humanitarian release of three Cuban agents convicted of espionage in a
controversial trial that found them guilty of spying on anti-Castro
groups in Miami, but not the U.S. government. All three were most
recently held in North Carolina at a federal medical facility for the
U.S. Bureau of Prisons.

The humanitarian release is just the beginning of a promised new
relationship with Cuba. The White House is indicating the beginning of
new talks on everything from travel restrictions to eventual lifting
of the Cuban embargo in place since John F. Kennedy was President.

This is not a new position, or a secret either. The White House made
it clear two weeks ago that it would review policy toward Cuba if a
deal could be reached to free Gross:


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Q Today the administration noted the six-year anniversary of Alan
Gross’s imprisonment in Cuba with a statement that said his release
would quote “remove an impediment to more constructive relations
between the U.S. and Cuba”.Given President Obama’s previous statements
on the embargo, what is on the table if Alan Gross is released
soon?Would the U.S. consider removing Cuba from the terrorist list,
increase trade, fully lift the embargo?Please help us parse what this
important sentence means.

MR. EARNEST:Well, Jim, I don’t think I can get into as much detail
as you may like me to, because there are — the President has been
clear about his interest in strengthening the relationship between the
United States and Cuba.It’s very difficult for us to do that, though,
when you have remove the impediment to more constructive relations
between the U.S. and Cuba.It’s very difficult for us to do that,
though, when you have the Cuban government holding this individual.We
believe that Mr. Gross should be released on humanitarian grounds and
that the case for that is clear.And we continue to be concerned about
his health and his safety.And you’ve seen statements from Mr. Gross’s
wife to this effect as well.

But we’re going to continue to work with the Cuban government.But
the fact is, Jim, it’s going to be very difficult for us to make
progress in that relationship as long as the Cuban government doesn’t
take the kinds of steps that we believe are necessary to secure Mr.
Gross’s humanitarian release.

Q But is his captivity, or imprisonment now, is that the only
thing the administration or the primary thing the administration sees
as the impediment to a better relationship with Cuba, a more
normalization?

MR. EARNEST:Well, there are a range of concerns that we have with
the Cuban government’s refusal to respect some basic human
rights.There is a pretty long track record of the Castro regime
trampling on the basic human and political rights of people who live
in that country.That’s been the source of significant concern in this
country for quite some time.But there is a desire to try to strengthen
the relationship that exists between the United States and Cuba, but
we need to address — I guess more directly, the Castro regime needs to
address some of the humanitarian concerns that we’ve raised.

But were not going to be able to make much progress as long as Mr.
Gross remains in captivity.He is someone who is an international
development worker, and that’s why he was in Cuba; he was trying to
open up Internet access for more people in Cuba.And we believe that
his release is necessary on humanitarian grounds.

So it won’t be a clear swap, a Gross-for-embargo-end deal, but it will
almost demand some kind of quid pro quo now that Gross is on his way
home. That’s not a big reach for Barack Obama, who has been skeptical
of the Cuba embargo for years but hamstrung by Gross’ imprisonment
from doing much about it. ABC News is replaying Obama’s handshake with
Raul Castro a year ago almost to the day, an event which Cuban media
ignored at the time, and to which Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio — two
Senators of Cuban descent — objected at the time.

If this prompts a move to scuttle the embargo, which has done almost
nothing to rattle the Castros and their grip on power and has few
international supporters, expect to hear more of these objections from
Republicans. Gross may be free, but thousands of Cuban political
dissidents still languish behind bars. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen warned
against showing weakness last year on behalf of those political
prisoners in a hearing with John Kerry:

“Mr. Secretary, sometimes a handshake is just a handshake, but
when the leader of the free world shakes the bloody hand of a ruthless
dictator like Raul Castro, it becomes a propaganda coup for the
tyrant,” Ros-Lehtinen said. “Castro uses that hand to sign the orders
to repress and jail democracy advocates.”

“Could you please tell the Cuban people living under that
repressive regime that, a handshake notwithstanding, the U.S. policy
toward the cruel and sadistic Cuban dictatorship has not weakened?”
she asked.

“Ladies and gentlemen, today is about honoring Nelson Mandela,”
Kerry later responded. He added that Obama urged all of the world’s
leaders to honor Mandela’s legacy by upholding “basic human rights.”

“And would you say Raul Castro is upholding basic human rights?”
Ros-Lehtinen interjected.

“No,” Kerry replied. “Absolutely not.”

That hasn’t changed at all over the last twelve months. Cutting a deal
that takes the pressure off of the Castros will only be seen as an
abandonment after decades of determined policy toward Cuba about
political reform and freedom. No matter whether one thinks the embargo
works or not, it will be seen as throwing in the towel to shrug it
off, in essence rewarding the Castros for outliving American resolve.
Given our recent exit from Iraq and pending exit from Afghanistan, it
might have the appearance of an overall retreat of American power and
influence on behalf of liberty, a bad trend considering what’s
happening in Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine at the moment.

Update: Hmmmmmmm:

Cuban President Raul Castro will speak to his nation at noon on
Wednesday about relations with the United States, Cuban state
television reported.

That sounds like more of a quid pro quo than just a few spies.

Update: Obama will announce a major change in American policy today,
not just the swap:

President Barack Obama is also set to announce a broad range of
diplomatic and regulatory measures in what officials called the most
sweeping change in U.S. policy toward Cuba since the 1961 embargo was
imposed. …

For a President who took office promising to engage Cuba, the move
could help shape Obama’s foreign policy legacy.

“We are charting a new course toward Cuba,” a senior
administration official said. “The President understood the time was
right to attempt a new approach, both because of the beginnings of
changes in Cuba and because of the impediment this was causing for our
regional policy.”

This abrupt change will make Florida a very interesting place for
Hillary Clinton in 2016. The Cuban exile community has been firm about
playing tough against the Castros, but the younger generation may be
moving away from that policy. We’ll see.

Update: Not just an end to the embargo, but full diplomatic relations
(via Allahpundit):

Oh, my. That will have the ex-pat community steaming in Florida.

Update: The US and Havana will open embassies in both countries in
this deal, of course:

But it appears that the Obama administration did succeed in getting
another US intel agent and dozens of political prisoners released as
part of the deal, too:

We’ll see how long they stay free.


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke
D-FENS
2014-12-17 18:54:51 UTC
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Breaking: Cuba frees Gross in spy swap … and promised new look at US
policy? Update: Castro to make announcement; Update: US to offer full
diplomatic relations; Update: 53 political prisoners released?
posted at 9:31 am on December 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey
Oh joy. The Kenyan has come up with yet another scheme to flood Florida
and other states with foreign Hispanics "just looking for a better life"
in America. Cubans will be flown to the U.S. under the guise of
"political asylum" just like their fellow Hispanics of color from
Central America, bringing new tropical diseases and crime as had
happened under Jimmy Carter when the Mariel boatlift "refugees"
introduced AIDS into the U.S. that they'd picked up in Angola and
Mozambique fighting against whites and for the Kremlin.
--
There are two ways to be fooled.
One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
Soren Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Just Me
2014-12-17 20:52:40 UTC
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Ignorant xenophobe.
jon_banquer
2014-12-18 00:22:28 UTC
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Post by Just Me
Ignorant xenophobe.
No one else would touch Falling Down besides Michael Douglas. D-FENS was a great character. The book and the movie weren't politically correct and many people couldn't handle that. No doubt you and Al Drake were in that camp.




Just Me
2014-12-18 03:01:45 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Ignorant xenophobe.
No one else would touch Falling Down besides Michael Douglas. D-FENS was a great character. The book and the movie weren't politically correct and many people couldn't handle that. No doubt you and Al Drake were in that camp.
http://youtu.be/QXrhzdeIsRE
http://youtu.be/a2YRMixW9u8
You make a lot of assumptions about me.
Based on what? Your warped imagination?

fyi I enjoyed falling down, I've felt that way myself and completely understand
jon_banquer
2014-12-18 05:12:50 UTC
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Post by Just Me
Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Ignorant xenophobe.
No one else would touch Falling Down besides Michael Douglas. D-FENS was a great character. The book and the movie weren't politically correct and many people couldn't handle that. No doubt you and Al Drake were in that camp.
http://youtu.be/QXrhzdeIsRE
http://youtu.be/a2YRMixW9u8
You make a lot of assumptions about me.
Based on what? Your warped imagination?
fyi I enjoyed falling down, I've felt that way myself and completely understand
Some of it is based on how little you comprehend about my LinkedIn group. What happens there doesn't happen anywhere else. You're far too dumb to understand that.

Some of it is your hatred and obsession with religion.

Some of it is how poorly your interact with others.

Some of it is how few discussion topics you start.

Some of it is that I believe you're a really shitty human being.

Some of it is your political views and how fucked up they are.

Some of it is your failure to understand Jewish Zionists.

Some of it is your a pussy who doesn't post with his real name.

Basically I think you're an asshole who isn't worth much of my time.

Did this help? :>)
Just Me
2014-12-20 17:27:12 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Ignorant xenophobe.
No one else would touch Falling Down besides Michael Douglas. D-FENS was a great character. The book and the movie weren't politically correct and many people couldn't handle that. No doubt you and Al Drake were in that camp.
http://youtu.be/QXrhzdeIsRE
http://youtu.be/a2YRMixW9u8
You make a lot of assumptions about me.
Based on what? Your warped imagination?
fyi I enjoyed falling down, I've felt that way myself and completely understand
Some of it is based on how little you comprehend about my LinkedIn group. What happens there doesn't happen anywhere else. You're far too dumb to understand that.
I comprehend exactly what your group is about.I visit it now and again.
The group has now value to me,just like a group on automated taxidermy has
no value to me.
The cad/cam tools I have are just fine, I don't buy the latest software any
more often than I buy the latest hammer.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your hatred and obsession with religion.
I have neither hatred or obsession with religion.
I think it is something that,from it very foundations, is socially and
psychologically destructive. and it is way past it use by date.

Two quick examples,one something direct,one shows the insidiousness of belief.
The Catholic Church still thinks contraception is intrinically evil and
morally indefensable.And in war torn poverty stricken places where the church
has a lot of influence that leeds to large unsupportable families and lots of
children dying of hunger.Their answer is god has a plan,which may be early
death,starvation and poverty.These people think they have to moral high ground.
That is wrong!. And other variations are not that much different.

The other:Sen Inhofe of OK thinks man has no influence on climate,and how does
he know this? according to the Bible,god said that after the flood he wouldn't
fuckup the enviroment again,and as god is in control,nothing to worry about.
Seems this man is about to become chairman of the Senate Enviroment committee.
Religion has a long long history of actively working against progress.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is how poorly your interact with others.
So says the man that insults everybody who disagrees with him!
Beside how do you know how I interact with others?
Because I disagree more often than not?
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is how few discussion topics you start.
This is not,anymore,a place for machinist related discussions,despite vinnys
valiant attempts to keep it going.
that Mr B is mostly thanks to you and your off topic Isreal spam,and general
bad attitude to just about everybody.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is that I believe you're a really shitty human being.
That's fine.I'm not about to lose sleep over your option of me.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your political views and how fucked up they are.
That's fine also,I think some of yours are fuck up, big fucking deal.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your failure to understand Jewish Zionists.
Let me see now,the Jewish Zionists think they are Gods Chosen and a hunk of
desert that they wandered around on in antiquity is theirs in perpetuity.
And all actions to reclaim something that never really was,at least as currently
defined,is acceptable.
Reaction to their action just "proves" that eveybody hates us.
that about it?
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your a pussy who doesn't post with his real name.
How do I know you are using your "real name"?
This is usenet,aside from you who care what handle you use.
Post by jon_banquer
Basically I think you're an asshole who isn't worth much of my time.
Why should I care what you think of me,we are unlikely to meet socially,
unlikely to ever be in a position where we do business so why do you get your
tidy whities in a knot
Post by jon_banquer
Did this help? :>)
For once you actually gave a specific response,there is your specific reply.
jon_banquer
2014-12-20 17:52:37 UTC
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Post by Just Me
Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Ignorant xenophobe.
No one else would touch Falling Down besides Michael Douglas. D-FENS was a great character. The book and the movie weren't politically correct and many people couldn't handle that. No doubt you and Al Drake were in that camp.
http://youtu.be/QXrhzdeIsRE
http://youtu.be/a2YRMixW9u8
You make a lot of assumptions about me.
Based on what? Your warped imagination?
fyi I enjoyed falling down, I've felt that way myself and completely understand
Some of it is based on how little you comprehend about my LinkedIn group. What happens there doesn't happen anywhere else. You're far too dumb to understand that.
I comprehend exactly what your group is about.I visit it now and again.
The group has now value to me,just like a group on automated taxidermy has
no value to me.
The cad/cam tools I have are just fine, I don't buy the latest software any
more often than I buy the latest hammer.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your hatred and obsession with religion.
I have neither hatred or obsession with religion.
I think it is something that,from it very foundations, is socially and
psychologically destructive. and it is way past it use by date.
Two quick examples,one something direct,one shows the insidiousness of belief.
The Catholic Church still thinks contraception is intrinically evil and
morally indefensable.And in war torn poverty stricken places where the church
has a lot of influence that leeds to large unsupportable families and lots of
children dying of hunger.Their answer is god has a plan,which may be early
death,starvation and poverty.These people think they have to moral high ground.
That is wrong!. And other variations are not that much different.
The other:Sen Inhofe of OK thinks man has no influence on climate,and how does
he know this? according to the Bible,god said that after the flood he wouldn't
fuckup the enviroment again,and as god is in control,nothing to worry about.
Seems this man is about to become chairman of the Senate Enviroment committee.
Religion has a long long history of actively working against progress.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is how poorly your interact with others.
So says the man that insults everybody who disagrees with him!
Beside how do you know how I interact with others?
Because I disagree more often than not?
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is how few discussion topics you start.
This is not,anymore,a place for machinist related discussions,despite vinnys
valiant attempts to keep it going.
that Mr B is mostly thanks to you and your off topic Isreal spam,and general
bad attitude to just about everybody.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is that I believe you're a really shitty human being.
That's fine.I'm not about to lose sleep over your option of me.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your political views and how fucked up they are.
That's fine also,I think some of yours are fuck up, big fucking deal.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your failure to understand Jewish Zionists.
Let me see now,the Jewish Zionists think they are Gods Chosen and a hunk of
desert that they wandered around on in antiquity is theirs in perpetuity.
And all actions to reclaim something that never really was,at least as currently
defined,is acceptable.
Reaction to their action just "proves" that eveybody hates us.
that about it?
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your a pussy who doesn't post with his real name.
How do I know you are using your "real name"?
This is usenet,aside from you who care what handle you use.
Post by jon_banquer
Basically I think you're an asshole who isn't worth much of my time.
Why should I care what you think of me,we are unlikely to meet socially,
unlikely to ever be in a position where we do business so why do you get your
tidy whities in a knot
Post by jon_banquer
Did this help? :>)
For once you actually gave a specific response,there is your specific reply.
You don't comprehend what my group is and what it's about. You fake it and it shows.

I talk more CADCAM specifics than an ignorant moron like you can comprehend.

You show you're lack of intelligence when it comes to CADCAM on a frequent basis.

You're a fake and a phony and that's the reason you are an anonymous posting pussy.

You have never contributed anything of machining or CADCAM value to this group other than elementary basics.
Just Me
2014-12-20 20:11:21 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Post by jon_banquer
Post by Just Me
Ignorant xenophobe.
No one else would touch Falling Down besides Michael Douglas. D-FENS was a great character. The book and the movie weren't politically correct and many people couldn't handle that. No doubt you and Al Drake were in that camp.
http://youtu.be/QXrhzdeIsRE
http://youtu.be/a2YRMixW9u8
You make a lot of assumptions about me.
Based on what? Your warped imagination?
fyi I enjoyed falling down, I've felt that way myself and completely understand
Some of it is based on how little you comprehend about my LinkedIn group. What happens there doesn't happen anywhere else. You're far too dumb to understand that.
I comprehend exactly what your group is about.I visit it now and again.
The group has now value to me,just like a group on automated taxidermy has
no value to me.
The cad/cam tools I have are just fine, I don't buy the latest software any
more often than I buy the latest hammer.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your hatred and obsession with religion.
I have neither hatred or obsession with religion.
I think it is something that,from it very foundations, is socially and
psychologically destructive. and it is way past it use by date.
Two quick examples,one something direct,one shows the insidiousness of belief.
The Catholic Church still thinks contraception is intrinically evil and
morally indefensable.And in war torn poverty stricken places where the church
has a lot of influence that leeds to large unsupportable families and lots of
children dying of hunger.Their answer is god has a plan,which may be early
death,starvation and poverty.These people think they have to moral high ground.
That is wrong!. And other variations are not that much different.
The other:Sen Inhofe of OK thinks man has no influence on climate,and how does
he know this? according to the Bible,god said that after the flood he wouldn't
fuckup the enviroment again,and as god is in control,nothing to worry about.
Seems this man is about to become chairman of the Senate Enviroment committee.
Religion has a long long history of actively working against progress.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is how poorly your interact with others.
So says the man that insults everybody who disagrees with him!
Beside how do you know how I interact with others?
Because I disagree more often than not?
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is how few discussion topics you start.
This is not,anymore,a place for machinist related discussions,despite vinnys
valiant attempts to keep it going.
that Mr B is mostly thanks to you and your off topic Isreal spam,and general
bad attitude to just about everybody.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is that I believe you're a really shitty human being.
That's fine.I'm not about to lose sleep over your option of me.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your political views and how fucked up they are.
That's fine also,I think some of yours are fuck up, big fucking deal.
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your failure to understand Jewish Zionists.
Let me see now,the Jewish Zionists think they are Gods Chosen and a hunk of
desert that they wandered around on in antiquity is theirs in perpetuity.
And all actions to reclaim something that never really was,at least as currently
defined,is acceptable.
Reaction to their action just "proves" that eveybody hates us.
that about it?
Post by jon_banquer
Some of it is your a pussy who doesn't post with his real name.
How do I know you are using your "real name"?
This is usenet,aside from you who care what handle you use.
Post by jon_banquer
Basically I think you're an asshole who isn't worth much of my time.
Why should I care what you think of me,we are unlikely to meet socially,
unlikely to ever be in a position where we do business so why do you get your
tidy whities in a knot
Post by jon_banquer
Did this help? :>)
For once you actually gave a specific response,there is your specific reply.
You don't comprehend what my group is and what it's about. You fake it and it shows.
What's that matter Jonny boi,you pissed because I haven't joined your group?
Post by jon_banquer
I talk more CADCAM specifics than an ignorant moron like you can comprehend.
But do YOU comprehend what is is you are saying.?
You obviously have comprehension issues,it show often,and again now.
I said your group is of no value to me,not that it has no value.
I said the software tools I have do everything I need,I have Solidworks and
Surfcam,older versions but more than up the the jobs I do.
Post by jon_banquer
You show you're lack of intelligence when it comes to CADCAM on a frequent basis.
I'm not a member of your group so I can't post there,and here,unless you post
in TOTAL agreement with you you are insulted,just like now.
Post by jon_banquer
You're a fake and a phony and that's the reason you are an anonymous posting pussy.
Seems to me you are the phoney,if you weren' such a posser you wouldn't come
unglued everytime somebody says something you don't like.

Your cad/cam "expertise" seems to be cut and paste product releases, and very
nonspecific,but knowledgable sounding comments.
I have not seen here, or on your group any realistic solutions to the "problems" you post about.
You seem to willingly overlook the fact that cad/cam software is extremely
complex,there are millions of lines of code solving billions of possible
solutions to input varibles,and there is a large amount of legacy code
to be taken into account.Plus nobody writes ALL of the code,alot is third party
that has to handle small but specific tasks.
And then there is the user base.

You write all this stuff about what is wrong and such and such a company are
idiots because they don't do this or that,no real solutions or options.

Proof of your posser status was recently when vinny was playing with his
macro,your contributions were to insult his use of text editor,insult some of
his specific questions,and just be your generally abusive self.You made not
a single code related suggestion.
I didn't make any suggestions because I've never had a need for macros.
I wrote my own code generating program that I found quicker and simpler than
macros.
Macro are like dos bat files, useful at times but their time has come and gone.
fun to play with.
Post by jon_banquer
You have never contributed anything of machining or CADCAM value to this group other than elementary basics.
Not much,agreed, but the little probably has far more actual value than anything
from you.
jon_banquer
2014-12-20 20:15:57 UTC
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On Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:11:23 PM UTC-8, Just Me proved he can't handle the level of specific detail that I and others contribute to my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, none of which is "copy and paste":

<Snipped, tons of bullshit and many outright lies>

Nothing to respond to.
Just Me
2014-12-20 20:31:52 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
<Snipped, tons of bullshit and many outright lies>
Nothing to respond to.
Poor little Jonny,I told him that his group is of no personal value,showed him
why he is just a posser with little or no real knowledge of code or software
development,has made no actual code related contributions and what does he do?

He runs away with his tail between his legs.
jon_banquer
2014-12-20 20:59:47 UTC
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On Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:31:53 PM UTC-8, Just Me wrote more bullshit and kept lying because he can't deal with the factual specifics I post on CADCAM.

<Bullshit and lies snipped>

Nothing to respond to.
rbowman
2014-12-18 03:43:07 UTC
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Post by D-FENS
Oh joy. The Kenyan has come up with yet another scheme to flood Florida
and other states with foreign Hispanics "just looking for a better life"
in America.
Hey, you're talking about the Tea Party heros, Cruz and Rubio. Their parents
swam here -- or was it the Mariel boatlift?
D-FENS
2014-12-18 04:00:40 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by D-FENS
Oh joy. The Kenyan has come up with yet another scheme to flood Florida
and other states with foreign Hispanics "just looking for a better life"
in America.
Hey, you're talking about the Tea Party heros, Cruz and Rubio. Their parents
swam here -- or was it the Mariel boatlift?
My understanding is that Cruz was born in Canada. His parents must be
good swimmers.
--
There are two ways to be fooled.
One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true.
Soren Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
rbowman
2014-12-18 05:37:51 UTC
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Post by D-FENS
My understanding is that Cruz was born in Canada. His parents must be
good swimmers.
Rafael Bienvenido Cruz's first stop was Austin. Interestingly, he fought
with Castro before he switched sides. The mother was a US citizen. I guess
the met in Houston and Junior was hatched while they were working up in the
Alberta oil patch. They went back to Houston when the oil boom collapsed
like it always does.

So Cruz is half Cuban like Obama is half white.
BeamMeUpScotty
2014-12-18 16:32:45 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by D-FENS
My understanding is that Cruz was born in Canada. His parents must be
good swimmers.
Rafael Bienvenido Cruz's first stop was Austin. Interestingly, he fought
with Castro before he switched sides. The mother was a US citizen. I guess
the met in Houston and Junior was hatched while they were working up in the
Alberta oil patch. They went back to Houston when the oil boom collapsed
like it always does.
So Cruz is half Cuban like Obama is half white.
so anyone questioning Cruz's bona-fides is a racist?

You know... like they were when they questioned Obama's nationality.
BeamMeUpScotty
2014-12-18 16:35:43 UTC
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Post by D-FENS
Oh joy. The Kenyan has come up with yet another scheme to flood Florida
and other states with foreign Hispanics "just looking for a better life"
in America.
Hey, you're talking about the Tea Party heros, Cruz and Rubio. Their parents
swam here -- or was it the Mariel boatlift?
If I want a better life can I climb the White House fence and live on
the White House lawn? It looks like a better lawn with more security
than where I am now.
vinny
2014-12-18 01:02:45 UTC
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Breaking: Cuba frees Gross in spy swap . and promised new look at US
policy? Update: Castro to make announcement; Update: US to offer full
diplomatic relations; Update: 53 political prisoners released?
posted at 9:31 am on December 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey
I wish they would keep things as they are.
If we inject our society into theirs, they will ...........wake up....rush
to work...drive home...watch some tv, eat some crap, go to bed....start over
next day...year after year.

its all wrong.
They got is going on, PLEASE leave them alone.
D-FENS
2014-12-18 18:48:45 UTC
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Post by vinny
Breaking: Cuba frees Gross in spy swap . and promised new look at US
policy? Update: Castro to make announcement; Update: US to offer full
diplomatic relations; Update: 53 political prisoners released?
posted at 9:31 am on December 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey
I wish they would keep things as they are.
If we inject our society into theirs, they will ...........wake
up....rush to work...drive home...watch some tv, eat some crap, go to
bed....start over next day...year after year.
its all wrong.
They got is going on, PLEASE leave them alone.
In 1986, Nicaraguan defector Alberto Suhr related to U.S. reporters what
he and other Sandinista cadres had been told by Tomas Borge, the
Sandinista interior minister. Borge, a ruthless henchman trained by
Castro's DGI, instructed his comrades: "We have Nicaragua, soon we will
have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica and Mexico. One day,
tomorrow or 15 years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million
Mexicans and they're going to have one thing in mind - cross the border,
go into Dallas, go into Houston, go into New Mexico, go into San Diego,
and each one has embedded in his mind the idea of killing 10 Americans."
When Borge made that boast, he already had a sizeable fifth column of
propagandists, foot soldiers, and narco-terrorists operating within the
United States.

By "executive order," Barry Soetoro is opening the floodgates for
Sandanistas and Castro's agents to come into the U.S. and make good on
Alberto Suhr's prophetic words.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/race-war-democrat-la-raza-president-blacks-hispanics-should-team-up-to-attack-common-enemies-audio/

Racist hate group La Raza sees Hispanics and African-Americans teaming
up against everyone else as a result of the Trayvon Martin shooting...
Just in case tensions weren't high enough in the Trayvon Martin case,
the head of a controversial Hispanic group appears happy to pour
gasoline on the fire. -- Calling for an African-American-Hispanic
alliance against "common enemies," La Raza President Janet Murguia used
Wednesday's Al Sharpton radio show to spread an incendiary message of
hate. Happy to conveniently overlook George Zimmerman's Peruvian ancestry...
Al Drake
2014-12-21 15:06:02 UTC
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Post by D-FENS
Post by vinny
Breaking: Cuba frees Gross in spy swap . and promised new look at US
policy? Update: Castro to make announcement; Update: US to offer full
diplomatic relations; Update: 53 political prisoners released?
posted at 9:31 am on December 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey
I wish they would keep things as they are.
If we inject our society into theirs, they will ...........wake
up....rush to work...drive home...watch some tv, eat some crap, go to
bed....start over next day...year after year.
its all wrong.
They got is going on, PLEASE leave them alone.
In 1986, Nicaraguan defector Alberto Suhr related to U.S. reporters what
he and other Sandinista cadres had been told by Tomas Borge, the
Sandinista interior minister. Borge, a ruthless henchman trained by
Castro's DGI, instructed his comrades: "We have Nicaragua, soon we will
have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica and Mexico. One day,
tomorrow or 15 years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million
Mexicans and they're going to have one thing in mind - cross the border,
go into Dallas, go into Houston, go into New Mexico, go into San Diego,
and each one has embedded in his mind the idea of killing 10 Americans."
When Borge made that boast, he already had a sizeable fifth column of
propagandists, foot soldiers, and narco-terrorists operating within the
United States.
By "executive order," Barry Soetoro is opening the floodgates for
Sandanistas and Castro's agents to come into the U.S. and make good on
Alberto Suhr's prophetic words.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/race-war-democrat-la-raza-president-blacks-hispanics-should-team-up-to-attack-common-enemies-audio/
Racist hate group La Raza sees Hispanics and African-Americans teaming
up against everyone else as a result of the Trayvon Martin shooting...
Just in case tensions weren't high enough in the Trayvon Martin case,
the head of a controversial Hispanic group appears happy to pour
gasoline on the fire. -- Calling for an African-American-Hispanic
alliance against "common enemies," La Raza President Janet Murguia used
Wednesday's Al Sharpton radio show to spread an incendiary message of
hate. Happy to conveniently overlook George Zimmerman's Peruvian ancestry...
Ronald Reagan's pals.

https://libcom.org/history/1970-1987-the-contra-war-in-nicaragua
Al Drake
2015-01-11 15:13:36 UTC
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We’ll see how long they stay free.
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke
I'm a registered Republican and consider socialism a violation of the
American principle that you shouldn't stick your nose in other people's
business except to make a buck.

PJ O'Rourke
AIMAJ. M _ i g h t y W . a n . n a . b e _ RXXGC
2015-01-11 15:40:41 UTC
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Post by Al Drake
We’ll see how long they stay free.
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke
I'm a registered Republican
You are a paedophiliac polygamist inbred hillbilly.
Post by Al Drake
and consider socialism a violation of the
American principle
The principle of starving the poor into debt bondage. Owe your soul to
the company store if you want to eat.

This is dedicated to the other 98%
Jeff Beck and ZZ Top - Ernie Ford's SIXTEEN TONS:
*
*
Post by Al Drake
that you shouldn't stick your nose in other people's
business except to make a buck.
PJ O'Rourke
You work for one of those contractors in the military-industrial
complex. Good job.
Al Drake
2015-01-11 16:03:03 UTC
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On 1/11/2015 10:40 AM, AIMAJ. M _ i g h t y W . a n . n a . b e _ RXXGC
Post by AIMAJ. M _ i g h t y W . a n . n a . b e _ RXXGC
Post by Al Drake
We’ll see how long they stay free.
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke
I'm a registered Republican
You are a paedophiliac polygamist inbred hillbilly.
Post by Al Drake
and consider socialism a violation of the
American principle
The principle of starving the poor into debt bondage. Owe your soul to
the company store if you want to eat.
This is dedicated to the other 98%
* http://youtu.be/J2aqvKY6zLc *
Post by Al Drake
that you shouldn't stick your nose in other people's
business except to make a buck.
PJ O'Rourke
You work for one of those contractors in the military-industrial
complex. Good job.
I don't know who are what you think you're replying to.

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