Discussion:
Quad-I Vise..
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Stanley Dornfeld
2005-01-25 17:19:14 UTC
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Well gang, I'm in the vise business. One of my babies came home to roost.
The good news is I'm in a much better position to service customers now than
I was in '86.

So let the games begin. *Smile

http://www.quad-I.com

The site was just opened last week and so needs more attention. Working on
it as we speak.

Best regards,

Stan-
Alex Charles
2005-01-25 18:40:03 UTC
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Post by Stanley Dornfeld
Well gang, I'm in the vise business. One of my babies came home to roost.
The good news is I'm in a much better position to service customers now than
I was in '86.
So let the games begin. *Smile
http://www.quad-I.com
The site was just opened last week and so needs more attention. Working on
it as we speak.
Best regards,
Stan-
Looks like a twin of my 6" Huron vises. Any relation?

Alex
Stan Dornfeld
2005-01-25 19:19:05 UTC
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Yes. The early vises, actually first production vises, were Huron built.

There were however dimensional changes. I can remember exactly what though.
If any.

You still using them Alex?

Regards,

Stan-
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
Well gang, I'm in the vise business. One of my babies came home to
roost.
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
The good news is I'm in a much better position to service customers now
than
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
I was in '86.
So let the games begin. *Smile
http://www.quad-I.com
The site was just opened last week and so needs more attention. Working
on
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
it as we speak.
Best regards,
Stan-
Looks like a twin of my 6" Huron vises. Any relation?
Alex
ff
2005-01-25 20:54:38 UTC
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Post by Stanley Dornfeld
Well gang, I'm in the vise business. One of my babies came home to roost.
The good news is I'm in a much better position to service customers now than
I was in '86.
So let the games begin. *Smile
http://www.quad-I.com
The site was just opened last week and so needs more attention. Working on
it as we speak.
Best regards,
Stan-
Nice looking site, Stan. Maybe I'll order one when my taxes come back :-)

Fred
Stan Dornfeld
2005-01-25 23:09:12 UTC
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Thanks Fred..

I should be taking delivery of them in a week or two. Sooner if needed. A
couple of guys here in SD are on the list for February.

Thanks again for the interest.

Regards,

Stan-
Post by ff
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
Well gang, I'm in the vise business. One of my babies came home to roost.
The good news is I'm in a much better position to service customers now than
I was in '86.
So let the games begin. *Smile
http://www.quad-I.com
The site was just opened last week and so needs more attention. Working on
it as we speak.
Best regards,
Stan-
Nice looking site, Stan. Maybe I'll order one when my taxes come back :-)
Fred
3***@centurytel.net
2005-01-25 23:45:14 UTC
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I've certainly been a huge fan of the Quad1 vise in the past.
I have a bunch of SPI branded Quad1 vises. I once got a couple of
"clones" Those got sent back instantly.
Where do your vises land among the various brands? Genuine SPI, SPI is
a copy of Huron... Give us some history. I'm curious now.
Pete
Stan Dornfeld
2005-01-26 01:22:52 UTC
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Wow.. Thanks for the atta boy. *Smile

I'll be working up a history and lineage of the coordinate system in the
near future. Basically all the Quad-I vises were handled by the same
people. I prototyped the first one and then followed with another four. I
still have one of the four and have been using it for 18 years. The first
one was a build up on a steel plate.

Then we tried to get a local shop to machine them. That didn't work out.
Then came Huron. They actually made some. Maybe a hundred. Then China
built some and they needed rework. They did finally turn out ok. Hurco had
them as a private label for a while. Finally, SPI got in the loop and there
was a revision made to help a difficulty which had been a problem for a
while. I just did this off the top of my head so I may have overlooked
something. *S


The SPI issue was and is a good vise. I'm talking now about it's ability to
do what was asked of it.

Scrambling a bit now to get it all moving.

Please stay tuned.

Best regards,

Stan-
Post by 3***@centurytel.net
I've certainly been a huge fan of the Quad1 vise in the past.
I have a bunch of SPI branded Quad1 vises. I once got a couple of
"clones" Those got sent back instantly.
Where do your vises land among the various brands? Genuine SPI, SPI is
a copy of Huron... Give us some history. I'm curious now.
Pete
Ed Huntress
2005-01-26 02:12:55 UTC
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Post by Stan Dornfeld
Wow.. Thanks for the atta boy. *Smile
I'll be working up a history and lineage of the coordinate system in the
near future. Basically all the Quad-I vises were handled by the same
people. I prototyped the first one and then followed with another four.
I
Post by Stan Dornfeld
still have one of the four and have been using it for 18 years. The first
one was a build up on a steel plate.
Then we tried to get a local shop to machine them. That didn't work out.
Then came Huron. They actually made some. Maybe a hundred. Then China
built some and they needed rework. They did finally turn out ok. Hurco had
them as a private label for a while. Finally, SPI got in the loop and there
was a revision made to help a difficulty which had been a problem for a
while. I just did this off the top of my head so I may have overlooked
something. *S
The SPI issue was and is a good vise. I'm talking now about it's ability to
do what was asked of it.
Scrambling a bit now to get it all moving.
Please stay tuned.
Best regards,
Stan-
Stan, when you're ready for a press release, I'll make a one-time offer of
writing one of my $225 specials for you, gratis, and throw in a coupla
hundred in PR consultation. <g>

If you have experience with this yourself, or if you'd rather handle it on
your own, I won't be offended.

Good luck with it!

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Ed Huntress
2005-01-26 02:14:36 UTC
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Anthony
2005-01-26 10:02:45 UTC
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2005-01-26 14:33:10 UTC
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Mitch
2005-01-26 15:19:14 UTC
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Aack! That was supposed to be email. Forget you ever saw it, everybody else.
<g>
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Anyone who has already downloaded the message will see it, others won't know
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hamei
2005-01-26 16:42:48 UTC
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You know you can (try to) cancel your own posts... Just open your message
or highlight it in the general window and hit tools>cancel message.
If you cancel instantly, that works. If you cancel after the message has
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Black Dragon
2005-01-26 19:10:39 UTC
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Post by Mitch
Post by Ed Huntress
Aack! That was supposed to be email. Forget you ever saw it, everybody
else. <g>
You know you can (try to) cancel your own posts...
It's pretty much pointless to do so. Most news servers will pass cancels
along but won't honor them unless they're PGP signed articles from trusted
spam cancelers. It's too easy to forge cancels (a few lines of shell
script on any Unix system or a news reader that let you edit headers on
the fly (I'm using one right now ;-) is all it would take) and got abused
with people canceling the posts of others, so most news admins refuse to
honor them.

Same goes for control messages. Namely newgroup and rmgroup. They used
to be universally accepted until the abuse started and now only PGP
signed messages from trusted sources are accepted by news admins who give
a shit.
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Anyone who has already downloaded the message will see it, others won't know
it was there. If you cancel after the person has downloaded headers but not
read the message, they will get the indication "message no longer
available".
Again, there might be a few people reading the group who are using poorly
run servers that accept cancels, but that is the exception anymore, not the
rule.

My point is, if you don't want the whole world to see it, don't post in
on the Usenet!
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Ed Huntress
2005-01-26 21:14:31 UTC
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Post by Ed Huntress
Aack! That was supposed to be email. Forget you ever saw it, everybody
else.
Post by Ed Huntress
<g>
You know you can (try to) cancel your own posts... Just open your message
or highlight it in the general window and hit tools>cancel message.
Anyone who has already downloaded the message will see it, others won't know
it was there. If you cancel after the person has downloaded headers but not
read the message, they will get the indication "message no longer
available".
I don't know how it works with messages that have been archived somewhere
else, tho.
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Thanks, Mitch. I'll try that if it ever happens again. I think it's happened
to me three times in five years. Fortunately, there was nothing embarrassing
in any of them. But my luck can't hold out forever. d8-)

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Cliff
2005-01-26 21:27:36 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:19:14 +0100, "Mitch"
Post by Mitch
I don't know how it works with messages that have been archived somewhere
else, tho.
AFAIK Google honors kill requests from the original poster.
(I've killed a few <G>.)
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Koz
2005-01-26 19:13:01 UTC
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Post by Ed Huntress
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Post by Ed Huntress
Good luck with it!
Aack! That was supposed to be email. Forget you ever saw it, everybody else.
<g>
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Can't forget as you have me pondering. *Is* there such a thing as cheap
consulting relative to getting "press releases" actually printed in
trade journals? On on hand it appears to need a shotgun approach of
throwing way too much and seeing what sticks, yet I've heard editors
hate this and it can actually make you less likely to get the results
you are shooting for.

Same goes for effective advertising. Everyone needs bang for the buck
if we advertise but "help" in doing it right can initiallymcost more
than the ads themselves. And there's no guarantee that the hired help
actually knows squat.

Also seems like one of those areas where most consultants charge
waaaaaay too much for waaaay too little...the old "enough to make you
feel good" until you realize that there is little substance to the
information. How does one find the RIGHT help on such things? Any good
texts available focusing on industrial advertising/press rather than
focusing on selling consumer products?

For a couple of years we placed ads in trade directories...multi-page
things that had *some* result. Basically they paid for themselves but
never generated any real profits.


Koz (who's only worked the the ad sales guys and is not impressed with
the advice given)
Ed Huntress
2005-01-26 22:17:15 UTC
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Post by Koz
Can't forget as you have me pondering. *Is* there such a thing as cheap
consulting relative to getting "press releases" actually printed in
trade journals? On on hand it appears to need a shotgun approach of
throwing way too much and seeing what sticks, yet I've heard editors
hate this and it can actually make you less likely to get the results
you are shooting for.
These are all good questions, and not easy ones to answer. As for getting
your new-product releases published, you shouldn't need much consulting.
Just somebody who knows how it works and how to do it.

The rates for this vary a lot for first-time clients. I actually was one of
the lower-priced ones, because I didn't waste any time. I stuck to
metalworking and I usually knew exactly what I was looking at. So I'd get
right down to work. My price for writing one was flat-rated the last few
years I did it ($225, which was an average of the charges made by Bob Bly
and the other well-known publicity writers). In all modesty, my clients got
a real bargain.

But I rarely did publicity alone. I'd write collateral (brochures, sales
sheets, etc.), display ads (regular magazine ads) and other things. My rate
was $125/hour, and that was the basis for figuring the flat-rated things,
like press releases. That rate, too, was middle-of-the-road. A publicity
article would cost between $2,500 and $4,000 ($1,000 for one of those brief,
back-of-the-book "case history" articles), but I did the photography, too,
which was part of it. (Incidentally, that was a small fraction of just the
*space* cost, alone, for one page of paid advertising.) If I wrote that same
article directly for a magazine, BTW, I'd be paid $1,000 - $2,000 for the
same thing. That's why I hated seeing my byline when I was freelance. It
meant I shafted myself. <g> One magazine in the field paid me a great deal
more, but I used to work for them, so I was a known quantity there. Outside
of the metalworking field I was able to charge more.

About getting press releases published: Write them the way the magazine
publishes them, write them well, do everything you can to make it easy for
the editor (give them an electronic version; don't put your company name in
there every second sentence; capitalize properly and use good grammar;
etc.). There are many subtleties to it but you don't need subtleties if you
have an interesting product that a lot of readers may be interested in.

Go to your local library or call; find out from the reference librarian
where they have a copy of the SRDS Rates and Data for business publications
(here, it's the county library); look for the metalworking manufacturing
magazines; write down their addresses and phone numbers. That's your list.
Address your release to the "New Products Editor." Maybe 15 publications,
more if you seek out the regional ones.

Include good photo(s). Also, an electronic one -- high-quality color JPEG
preferred, 300 dpi, at least 4 x 5 inches. TIFF is the only other choice but
there really is no justification for it today. Make it a standard one if you
use TIFF. Put it all on a CD.

Consulting comes in when you're trying to get more out of your publicity. A
good PR person in this field knows the magazines, what they want, and how to
get articles published. There are several kinds of coverage your product or
company may fit into. There aren't many people around who are really good at
this in metalworking. I am. <g> Rates vary, but, if I were doing it for a
living again, I'd pick up where I left off -- $125/hr. or maybe a bit more.
Post by Koz
Same goes for effective advertising. Everyone needs bang for the buck
if we advertise but "help" in doing it right can initiallymcost more
than the ads themselves. And there's no guarantee that the hired help
actually knows squat.
If you find cheap, expert advertising, it's by pure luck. There is cheap
advertising, and there is expert advertising. A good, 4-color, full-page ad
in business-to-business publications averages somewhere around $3,000 -
$5,000 in production costs. Then there is space: $5,000/insertion and up.
Then there is getting to the first good ad: $5,000 - $10,000 in fees. It's
best to plan a campaign of several ads for the long haul. Doing them one at
a time, starting from scratch each time, can be murderously expensive.

There are products and situations for which inexpensive, fractional-page ads
work very well. There is no easy formula to tell you when this is so. It
requires experience and knowledge to make that judgment.

It's not for the faint of heart. Publicity, beginning with new-product
releases, is the way to start. It's the best deal in the business, for you,
by a factor of at least 5.
Post by Koz
Also seems like one of those areas where most consultants charge
waaaaaay too much for waaaay too little...the old "enough to make you
feel good" until you realize that there is little substance to the
information. How does one find the RIGHT help on such things?
Here's the underlying fact: In any "hot" business field, you can take all of
those prices and fees I listed above and double or triple them. Metalworking
manufacturing is at the low end of the low-buck side of the advertising
business. That's why I'm not getting back into it. So you don't find a lot
of really good ad people in the business anymore. They were there, 30 years
ago. They're mostly gone.

But some good ones remain, mostly old-timers who just like the business.
I've lost touch with who is who these days; I know of one in NJ and one in
Ohio. The people who know are the ad salesmen from the magazines, and the
top editors there. But both are wary of making recommendations. Space
salesmen don't want to offend their agency clients, and editors don't want
to offend anybody. However, space salesmen *will* make recommendations, if
you're a little patient with them. Modern Machine Shop, American Machinist,
Manufacturing Engineering, and Tooling & Production are the most likely to
be knowledgable about agencies in your area.
Post by Koz
Any good
texts available focusing on industrial advertising/press rather than
focusing on selling consumer products?
There probably are, but I don't read them, 'haven't for many years, and so I
can't make any recommendations.
Post by Koz
For a couple of years we placed ads in trade directories...multi-page
things that had *some* result. Basically they paid for themselves but
never generated any real profits.
That's typical. It depends on the product or service you're selling.
Post by Koz
Koz (who's only worked the the ad sales guys and is not impressed with
the advice given)
Probably, rightly so. <g>

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Ed Huntress

Stanley Dornfeld
2005-01-26 16:59:19 UTC
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Gosh! ....

Thanks Ed.

When the smoke rises a bit more we can talk. *Smile

If you toss me your ph# I'll call and we can yack. *G

Best regards,

Stan-
Post by Ed Huntress
Post by Stan Dornfeld
Wow.. Thanks for the atta boy. *Smile
I'll be working up a history and lineage of the coordinate system in the
near future. Basically all the Quad-I vises were handled by the same
people. I prototyped the first one and then followed with another four.
I
Post by Stan Dornfeld
still have one of the four and have been using it for 18 years. The first
one was a build up on a steel plate.
Then we tried to get a local shop to machine them. That didn't work out.
Then came Huron. They actually made some. Maybe a hundred. Then China
built some and they needed rework. They did finally turn out ok. Hurco
had
Post by Stan Dornfeld
them as a private label for a while. Finally, SPI got in the loop and
there
Post by Stan Dornfeld
was a revision made to help a difficulty which had been a problem for a
while. I just did this off the top of my head so I may have overlooked
something. *S
The SPI issue was and is a good vise. I'm talking now about it's
ability
Post by Ed Huntress
to
Post by Stan Dornfeld
do what was asked of it.
Scrambling a bit now to get it all moving.
Please stay tuned.
Best regards,
Stan-
Stan, when you're ready for a press release, I'll make a one-time offer of
writing one of my $225 specials for you, gratis, and throw in a coupla
hundred in PR consultation. <g>
If you have experience with this yourself, or if you'd rather handle it on
your own, I won't be offended.
Good luck with it!
--
Ed Huntress
Cliff
2005-01-26 07:18:59 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:19:14 -0800, "Stanley Dornfeld"
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
Well gang, I'm in the vise business.
Stan,
And in all these years you've never mentioned it as far as I can
recall.

You do know that advertising your product, if it''s related to CNC
or machining or such, is perfectly on topic here, right? It's even
in the original NG charter IIRC.

Think of all the threads on vices that you've missed <G>.
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Cliff
PrecisionMachinisT
2005-01-26 07:59:06 UTC
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Post by Cliff
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:19:14 -0800, "Stanley Dornfeld"
Post by Stanley Dornfeld
Well gang, I'm in the vise business.
Stan,
And in all these years you've never mentioned it as far as I can
recall.
You do know that advertising your product, if it''s related to CNC
or machining or such, is perfectly on topic here, right? It's even
in the original NG charter IIRC.
Think of all the threads on vices that you've missed <G>.
And 'IF' Stan is interested in fitting hydraulics onto these things, then I
do know someone who's expertise is starting to point right up that
alley..........
--
SVL
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