Mastercam is actively asking users to SNITCH OUT illegal users, LOL!

[Michael]

I got this Sale Pitch today from a Mastercam Reseller!
This needs to be seen to believe!

The email subject was "Mastercam Piracy Alert......."

1st. I do not run illegal software and never have. I am insulted to be
SPAMMED with this kind of junk from what is supposedly a genuine CAM
Software Company and/or it's agents.

2nd. I can't believe any software company would allow a reseller to use
this SNITCH tactic to sell *their* software.

3rd. Look this over and let me know how many folks got this, is
Mastercam actually trying to get sales via *FEAR and INTIMIDATION* from
hack users? This is an appalling approach to get sales!

4th. I hope everyone sees what a worm this MacDac Company is by using
SNITCH and THREATENING tactics to get sales. How bad of a salesman does
somebody have to be to send legitimate companies this kind of garbage to
try to sell their software.

5th. If Mastercam is not aware that MacDac is doing this I hope this
email finds it's way into Mastercam's hands and this MacDac company gets
reprimanded.
This is the worst and most tasteless SALES STUNT I have ever seen.

FWIW, I am forwarding this email to amcnc newsgroup, Mastercam and this
Guisti guy at MacDac.

If MacDac doesn't mind, I would like to be removed from their *SPAM list
immediately*.

I WILL NEVER buy Mastercam or anything from a bunch of unprofessional
Yahoo's like this guy at MacDac.

Best Regards,
Michael Gailey

**I don't need or use no Mastercam. Especially if this is the kind of
business *thinking that* runs Mastercam.

Just Unbelieveable!

cc's to:
alt.machines.cnc
***@macdac.com
***@mastercam.com
***@macdac.com

................

Hi Michael,
Over the years I have seen many illegal seats of Mastercam, through demos, calls and the
internet. Many of these companies or individuals may not even know that they have illegal
copies of Mastercam. Most companies do not know the costs associated with unlicensed
Mastercam software and copyright infringement. Penalties can result in civil liability of
up to $150,000 for each program infringed under the statutory damages provisions of the
Copyright Act.
We would like to find as many illegal seats as possible and get them on board, make them
legal and get them up and running with Mastercam Version X2. If you know of any
companies or individuals that have these illegal seats, please reply to this email.
Your response will be kept confidential.
Also, I believe that it is only fair to the over 1400 companies who have legal seats in New England
for those illegal seats to be addressed. Remember...Piracy hurts us all. It hinders future
development, reduces available support, gives a competitive advantage to the pirates, and
prevents future innovations.

alph Guisti

Jeremiah 29:11, "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD,
"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a
future".

Ralph Guisti
Sales
Macdac Engineering

27 Quality Avenue, Somers, CT 06072 USA
ph:1-860-749-5544 Ext. 201
fx: 1-860-749-5373
***@macdac.com www.macdac.com

[paul]

Post by Michael
I got this Sale Pitch today from a Mastercam Reseller!
This needs to be seen to believe!
The email subject was "Mastercam Piracy Alert......."
1st. I do not run illegal software and never have. I am insulted to be
SPAMMED with this kind of junk from what is supposedly a genuine CAM
Software Company and/or it's agents.
2nd. I can't believe any software company would allow a reseller to use
this SNITCH tactic to sell *their* software.
3rd. Look this over and let me know how many folks got this, is
Mastercam actually trying to get sales via *FEAR and INTIMIDATION* from
hack users? This is an appalling approach to get sales!
4th. I hope everyone sees what a worm this MacDac Company is by using
SNITCH and THREATENING tactics to get sales. How bad of a salesman does
somebody have to be to send legitimate companies this kind of garbage to
try to sell their software.
5th. If Mastercam is not aware that MacDac is doing this I hope this
email finds it's way into Mastercam's hands and this MacDac company gets
reprimanded.
This is the worst and most tasteless SALES STUNT I have ever seen.
FWIW, I am forwarding this email to amcnc newsgroup, Mastercam and this
Guisti guy at MacDac.
If MacDac doesn't mind, I would like to be removed from their *SPAM list
immediately*.
I WILL NEVER buy Mastercam or anything from a bunch of unprofessional
Yahoo's like this guy at MacDac.
Best Regards,
Michael Gailey
**I don't need or use no Mastercam. Especially if this is the kind of
business *thinking that* runs Mastercam.
Just Unbelieveable!
alt.machines.cnc

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Post by Michael
Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and Development
http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm

How is this any different from -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/Reporting.mspx
or - https://reporting.bsa.org/
or - http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/reporting.html
or - http://www.siia.net/piracy/

or countless other sites set up to allow users to "rat out" illegal versions
of software? I must be missing something because I don't see how this could
help Macdac Engineering increase their sales. I suspect any illegal user
turned in under this campaign might be a little hesitant to cough up a P.O.,
unless the only other alternative was prosecution.

[J. Carroll]

Post by paul

Post by Michael
I got this Sale Pitch today from a Mastercam Reseller!
This needs to be seen to believe!
The email subject was "Mastercam Piracy Alert......."
1st. I do not run illegal software and never have. I am insulted to
be SPAMMED with this kind of junk from what is supposedly a genuine
CAM Software Company and/or it's agents.
2nd. I can't believe any software company would allow a reseller to
use this SNITCH tactic to sell *their* software.
3rd. Look this over and let me know how many folks got this, is
Mastercam actually trying to get sales via *FEAR and INTIMIDATION*
from hack users? This is an appalling approach to get sales!
4th. I hope everyone sees what a worm this MacDac Company is by using
SNITCH and THREATENING tactics to get sales. How bad of a salesman
does somebody have to be to send legitimate companies this kind of
garbage to try to sell their software.
5th. If Mastercam is not aware that MacDac is doing this I hope this
email finds it's way into Mastercam's hands and this MacDac company
gets reprimanded.
This is the worst and most tasteless SALES STUNT I have ever seen.
FWIW, I am forwarding this email to amcnc newsgroup, Mastercam and
this Guisti guy at MacDac.
If MacDac doesn't mind, I would like to be removed from their *SPAM
list immediately*.
I WILL NEVER buy Mastercam or anything from a bunch of unprofessional
Yahoo's like this guy at MacDac.
Best Regards,
Michael Gailey
**I don't need or use no Mastercam. Especially if this is the kind of
business *thinking that* runs Mastercam.
Just Unbelieveable!
alt.machines.cnc

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Post by Michael
Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and Development
http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm

How is this any different from -
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/Reporting.mspx
or - https://reporting.bsa.org/
or - http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/reporting.html
or - http://www.siia.net/piracy/
or countless other sites set up to allow users to "rat out" illegal
versions of software? I must be missing something because I don't see
how this could help Macdac Engineering increase their sales. I
suspect any illegal user turned in under this campaign might be a
little hesitant to cough up a P.O., unless the only other alternative
was prosecution.

That's exactly how it's done Paul and there are two statutes. One is
criminal and if charges are preferred or threatened and the choice is
purchasing software to avoid prosecution, it's a felony - extortion - and
the local DA takes both sides to task, and maybe jail.

Behaving this way under the CIVIL statute, however, is quite legal and is
also what you normally see happen. There is an Attorney firm here in LA that
has these things as a specialty - and they work with BSA and the software
industry.

[r***@msn.com]

There is no issue if your running a legal seat / seats, I paid for my
software and my customers helped me, I compete with a guy who hasn't
paid for his, he charges less than I do
why would I not want the playing surface to be level?

When did doing the "right" thing become wrong?

Could one assume then that calling a drunk driver out would be
"snitching"?, obviosly not the same resultant effect, but, where is
the line?

www.reidmachine.com
proud Mastercam user, not evaluator, for
actually making things!!

[Simon Schnizzard]

Post by r***@msn.com
There is no issue if your running a legal seat / seats, I paid for my
software and my customers helped me, I compete with a guy who hasn't
paid for his, he charges less than I do
why would I not want the playing surface to be level?
When did doing the "right" thing become wrong?
Could one assume then that calling a drunk driver out would be
"snitching"?, obviosly not the same resultant effect, but, where is
the line?

Agreed.

I don't rob banks nor do I engage in car theft or insurance fraud.



--

[Joe788]

Post by Michael
I got this Sale Pitch today from a Mastercam Reseller!
This needs to be seen to believe!
The email subject was "Mastercam Piracy Alert......."
1st. I do not run illegal software and never have. I am insulted to be
SPAMMED with this kind of junk from what is supposedly a genuine CAM
Software Company and/or it's agents.
2nd. I can't believe any software company would allow a reseller to use
this SNITCH tactic to sell *their* software.
3rd. Look this over and let me know how many folks got this, is
Mastercam actually trying to get sales via *FEAR and INTIMIDATION* from
hack users? This is an appalling approach to get sales!
4th. I hope everyone sees what a worm this MacDac Company is by using
SNITCH and THREATENING tactics to get sales. How bad of a salesman does
somebody have to be to send legitimate companies this kind of garbage to
try to sell their software.
5th. If Mastercam is not aware that MacDac is doing this I hope this
email finds it's way into Mastercam's hands and this MacDac company gets
reprimanded.
This is the worst and most tasteless SALES STUNT I have ever seen.
FWIW, I am forwarding this email to amcnc newsgroup, Mastercam and this
Guisti guy at MacDac.
If MacDac doesn't mind, I would like to be removed from their *SPAM list
immediately*.
I WILL NEVER buy Mastercam or anything from a bunch of unprofessional
Yahoo's like this guy at MacDac.
Best Regards,
Michael Gailey
**I don't need or use no Mastercam. Especially if this is the kind of
business *thinking that* runs Mastercam.
Just Unbelieveable!
alt.machines.cnc
................

Hi Michael,
Over the years I have seen many illegal seats of Mastercam, through demos, calls and the
internet. Many of these companies or individuals may not even know that they have illegal
copies of Mastercam. Most companies do not know the costs associated with unlicensed
Mastercam software and copyright infringement. Penalties can result in civil liability of
up to $150,000 for each program infringed under the statutory damages provisions of the
Copyright Act.
We would like to find as many illegal seats as possible and get them on board, make them
legal and get them up and running with Mastercam Version X2. If you know of any
companies or individuals that have these illegal seats, please reply to this email.
Your response will be kept confidential.
Also, I believe that it is only fair to the over 1400 companies who have legal seats in New England
for those illegal seats to be addressed. Remember...Piracy hurts us all. It hinders future
development, reduces available support, gives a competitive advantage to the pirates, and
prevents future innovations.

alph Guisti
Jeremiah 29:11, "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD,
"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a
future".
Ralph Guisti
Sales
Macdac Engineering
27 Quality Avenue, Somers, CT 06072 USA
ph:1-860-749-5544 Ext. 201
fx: 1-860-749-5373
--
Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and Developmenthttp://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm

I don't see a problem with that email at all. I am a legal user. I had
to pay. That's the way it works.

If you were a pirate user (Like a certain idiot here who got busted
using one of his alter egos looking for MCX2 on a bit torrent site),
which scenario would you prefer:

-Having a salesman call you to let you know that you NEED to buy a
legal seat.

-Having the BSA show up at your door.

[Michael]

--

Post by Joe788

Post by Michael
Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and Developmenthttp://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm

I don't see a problem with that email at all. I am a legal user. I had
to pay. That's the way it works.
If you were a pirate user (Like a certain idiot here who got busted
using one of his alter egos looking for MCX2 on a bit torrent site),
-Having a salesman call you to let you know that you NEED to buy a
legal seat.
-Having the BSA show up at your door.

Joe,
I DO NOT support or endorse using ANY illegal software of ANY KIND but
what bugs me is how am I, a legal software user and NOT even a user of
this software at all, supposed to feel about having someone using a
major company's name as a shield to try to recruit me to help them catch
pirates.

Personally, I hope they catch EVERY SINGLE SOFTWARE THIEF ALIVE.
But why would anybody expect legal users to do their dirty work and take
on the *risk* of becoming their snitch?

If these companies want to catch software pirates then go after the
people doing the pirating, don't expect me to go do it for them.
Michael

[vinny]

Post by Michael
--

Post by Joe788

Post by Michael
Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and
Developmenthttp://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm

I don't see a problem with that email at all. I am a legal user. I had
to pay. That's the way it works.
If you were a pirate user (Like a certain idiot here who got busted
using one of his alter egos looking for MCX2 on a bit torrent site),
-Having a salesman call you to let you know that you NEED to buy a
legal seat.
-Having the BSA show up at your door.

Joe,
I DO NOT support or endorse using ANY illegal software of ANY KIND but
what bugs me is how am I, a legal software user and NOT even a user of
this software at all, supposed to feel about having someone using a major
company's name as a shield to try to recruit me to help them catch
pirates.
Personally, I hope they catch EVERY SINGLE SOFTWARE THIEF ALIVE.
But why would anybody expect legal users to do their dirty work and take
on the *risk* of becoming their snitch?
If these companies want to catch software pirates then go after the
people doing the pirating, don't expect me to go do it for them.
Michael

Send them an email and say STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY MAILBOX! Go have your
crusade somewhere else!

Hell why not have cops stop you on the road asking if you know anyone who
sells pot?
Screw that. I get an email like that and its getting returned in triplicate
to the 5th power. And screw microsoft too, their new crusade has turned me
back to linux.

Software piracy PISSES me off! Its bullshit. mastercam has been cracked
literally within 1 day of its release. No other software out there has that
problem. Its almost like they "let" it happen. YES, they do LET it happen
actually. They could connect a computer to shareaza or kazaa or edonkey and
download the cracked version, screw up one "byte" in the archive and "share
it". It would stop the crack in its tracks within a day or two.
But yet....those archives sit safe and pristene for years?
Try and get a cracked copy of cadra. Not gonna happen, not on the edonkey
networks, because someone has done broke the file and then shares it.

And if you think I am a hacked software guy, im not. I usually try to get a
copy of what I use at work to play with at home. Whoever thinks thats
stealing can kiss my shiny metal ass. All software's should come like
esprit, if there's no key, it wont post or save, great for at home.

microsoft windows, autocad, mastercam, etc...
They are #1 because they were out there for free.
Thats why google is about to "ibm" microsoft.
Because their not so free anymore. The product isnt worth a crap unless the
whole world is using it. Same for autocad and mastercam. If they werent 80%
of the market, most would spend the money on a better product.

grrrrrr.

[Cliff]

Post by Michael
I DO NOT support or endorse using ANY illegal software of ANY KIND

Tried telling jb that?

[kinzie]

Post by Michael
I got this Sale Pitch today from a Mastercam Reseller!

Hi Michael,
Over the years I have seen many illegal seats of Mastercam, through demos, calls and the
internet. Many of these companies or individuals may not even know
that they have illegal
copies of Mastercam. Most companies do not know the costs associated with unlicensed

They ALL know what they're doing. They also all know the (perceived)
high costs of buys licensed software. For them it's worth the risk.

Post by Michael

We would like to find as many illegal seats as possible and get them on board, make them
legal and get them up and running with Mastercam Version X2.

Lazy sales hack can't get off his fat ass to hustle up some sales.
Pathetic. Funny, my UGS sales guy never approached me with this type of
crap.

Post by Michael

If you know of any
companies or individuals that have these illegal seats, please reply to this email.
Your response will be kept confidential.

Hell no, I'd ask for 50% commision for his sales to those companies.

Post by Michael

Also, I believe that it is only fair to the over 1400 companies who
have legal seats in New England
for those illegal seats to be addressed. Remember...Piracy hurts us
all. It hinders future
development, reduces available support, gives a competitive advantage to the pirates, and
prevents future innovations.

If he really "cared" he would ask you to contact the BSA who btw will
offer to have the crack user buy the seats. It's not "usually" a major
fine. They'd rather gain a paying user. The BSA is funded by sofware
developers.

Post by Michael
alph Guisti
Jeremiah 29:11, "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD,
"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a
future".

Oh nice touch... throw in the colorful God message at the end to show
you he's "sensitive".

Post by Michael
Ralph Guisti
Sales
Macdac Engineering

If this crap is acceptable then I would expect, Vons, Ralphs, JC Penny,
Sears, your insurance company to all be pounding my mail box full with
similar requests to "turn in" shop lifters.

I'm with you. Pathetic.

--
Bill

[Michael]

Post by kinzie
If this crap is acceptable then I would expect, Vons, Ralphs, JC Penny,
Sears, your insurance company to all be pounding my mail box full with
similar requests to "turn in" shop lifters.
I'm with you. Pathetic.
--
Bill

Bill,
*At least you got my point* By turning this "trick" for this company
as they suggest, they make a $$$ profit and you put LEGAL CUSTOMERS at
some level of risk so they can sell more seats$$$$.

This is all about them making $$$$ and NOTHING about doing anything
for YOU.

They are simply putting good customers in jeopardy to make a dollar,
that sucks pretty bad.

Again, I hope they catch every single software thief, BUT, *it isn't
MY JOB to do their dirty work so they can increase sales*

Ask this question too, If you help "turn in" these software thieves,
will the author of that email support you *when these guys come back and
burn your shop down after they are released?* I think not.

*In the name of sales*, NO COMPANY has the right to invite legal
businesses into any scenario like this, especially when their motive is
to make a $$$$ via potentially endangering legitimate customers.

I will stress again, I do NOT THINK Mastercam had knowledge of this
devious deception, I think this came probably from some guys cooking up
this as a scheme to attempt leverage a few sales to make $$ and nothing
more. At least I hope that Mastercam had no part in this plan.

And yes, the quoted scripture gimmick was a GLARING sign that this was a
*weasle at work*

FWIW, if a salesman starts going Biblical on me, I ask him to leave
immediately. I refuse to have some guy try that "I am Holy, You might
not be as Holy" intimidation trip on me. I ignore that approach in
airports and I sure don't want to be called away from my job to listen
to it. Funny thing is, these Biblical sales guys are never in my Church
on Sunday, go figure???

Michael

[jon_banquer]

Post by kinzie
I'm with you. Pathetic.

Pathetic are the graphics in Mastercam X2:

With shaded solids you can barely see the chaining arrow. Would it
really be that difficult to make the chaining arrow shaded instead of
dull faded wireframe that is often buried in the shaded solid?

The Mastercam X2 graphics screen needs to be constantly regenerated to
get wireframe to properly display.

I have not found a way to increase the thickness of chained edges.
Maybe there is a way but I have not found it yet. Very difficult to
see what has been chained because the chained edge is so thin.

While Solidworks was removing massive pop-up dialog boxes that block
the model Mastercam was adding them. The Mastercam answer to this is
make the user buy a second monitor and drag the dialog boxes to a
second monitor.

Backplotting in Mastercam X2 sucks. In Featurecam you can click on the
backplotted wireframe and the machining operation that created the
backplotted wireframe is highlighted and is ready to be edited.
Clicking on the backplotted wireframe in Mastercam X2 does nothing.

Any Mastercam user supporting these kind of graphic changes is shot
down on the e-Mastercam web forum by people like James Meyette, John
Paris, and the rest of the suck ass CNC Software loyalists who don't
help to improve Mastercam.


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[Joe788]

Post by jon_banquer

Post by kinzie
I'm with you. Pathetic.

With shaded solids you can barely see the chaining arrow. Would it
really be that difficult to make the chaining arrow shaded instead of
dull faded wireframe that is often buried in the shaded solid?
The Mastercam X2 graphics screen needs to be constantly regenerated to
get wireframe to properly display.
I have not found a way to increase the thickness of chained edges.
Maybe there is a way but I have not found it yet. Very difficult to
see what has been chained because the chained edge is so thin.
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Does this mean you figured out how to chain in Mastercam? Or are you
still changing levels and transforming Z depths because of the
dastardly branch points?

[Cliff]

CLUE: It's a CAM program, not something else.
The graphics are for actual CAM program users, not you.
It's NOT a pretty video game.

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
With shaded solids you can barely see the chaining arrow. Would it
really be that difficult to make the chaining arrow shaded instead of
dull faded wireframe that is often buried in the shaded solid?

WHY did you have to shade the solid??
Wastes lots of time, CPU cycles, memory & disk.

Oops ... forgot ... idiot.

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
With shaded solids you can barely see the chaining arrow. Would it
really be that difficult to make the chaining arrow shaded instead of
dull faded wireframe that is often buried in the shaded solid?
The Mastercam X2 graphics screen needs to be constantly regenerated to
get wireframe to properly display.

But you WANTED shaded solids, right?
LOL ..... Move to Moron.

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
I have not found a way to increase the thickness of chained edges.
Maybe there is a way but I have not found it yet. Very difficult to
see what has been chained because the chained edge is so thin.

Gee, if you did would that leave more stock?
No clues I bet.

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
While Solidworks was removing massive pop-up dialog boxes that block
the model Mastercam was adding them.

Fill in the blanks & answer the questions.
RTFM !!!
Are you smarter than a 4th grader?

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
Backplotting in Mastercam X2 sucks.

Ever considerd doing it right in the first place?

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
Backplotting in Mastercam X2 sucks. In Featurecam you can click on the
backplotted wireframe and the machining operation that created the
backplotted wireframe is highlighted and is ready to be edited.

And you have to "edit" it exactly why?
No clues in the first place.

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
Clicking on the backplotted wireframe in Mastercam X2 does nothing.

AMAZING !!!
Perhaps it's a graphics plot, as expected by the actual users.

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
Clicking on the backplotted wireframe in Mastercam X2 does nothing.
Any Mastercam user supporting these kind of graphic changes

Did a clueless newbie get to post before getting caught & canned
again?

Post by jon_banquer
is shot
down on the e-Mastercam web forum by people like James Meyette, John
Paris, and the rest of the suck ass CNC Software loyalists who don't
help to improve Mastercam.

Well, they probably ARE actual users. You know, the sort
with clues. Bet they even know what a CAM system is.

[jon_banquer]

Post by kinzie
I'm with you. Pathetic.

Former Mastercam VAR Mike Mattera and producer of superb Mastercam
training videos on what it's like to deal with CNC Software the makers
of Mastercam:

"They manage to screw over quite a number of talented Mastercam sales/
applications people. And because of that, these people are forced to
look at other avenues to make a living. At a training class this week,
I met a very talented ex-Mastercam 5X guy, that now sells Edgecam. Of
the 9 people in this class, 4 of them previously did sales/
applications for Mastercam dealers."

Mike Mattera now sells Edgecam.

http://www.tipsforcadcam.com


Charles Davis. Former owner of San Diego CADCAM. Author of the
MasterCAM Handbook Series of which I own all three books. Expensive...
$100 per book. Just finished Volume 1. My rating for the Charles Davis
Mastercam Handbook Volume 1: A. Charles Davis is an excellent teacher
and writer. Charles Davis's Mastercam Handbook Volume 1 is the best
written book on a CAM product I have ever read.

Charles Davis now sells SolidCAM.


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[jon_banquer]

Fucking spam.

Bump

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[sittingduck]

Post by jon_banquer
Fucking spam.
Bump

FFS, stay out of Usenet if you can't comprehend it. Do yourself a favor.

[jon_banquer]

Post by sittingduck
FFS, stay out of Usenet if you can't comprehend it. Do yourself a favor.
--http://improve-usenet.org

This from someone who claims he doesn't read my posts. LOL.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[sittingduck]

Post by jon_banquer
This from someone who claims he doesn't read my posts. LOL.

Show me where I said that, Goober.

My newsreader upscores any posts with mastercam in them. This lets you out of
the score that kills all dipshit google postings.

I don't expect you to actually comprehend how a newsreader works since you
are obviously so clueless about Usenet in general.

[jon_banquer]

Post by sittingduck
I don't expect you to actually comprehend how a newsreader works since you
are obviously so clueless about Usenet in general.

All I know is you constantly claim that you don't read my posts but
always respond to them.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[jon_banquer]

Bump

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[Cliff]

Post by jon_banquer
Charles Davis now sells SolidCAM.

Whoopie !!

[b***@aol.com]

Post by Cliff

Post by jon_banquer
Charles Davis now sells SolidCAM.

Whoopie !!

Isn't Charles Davis the guy Jon trashed and accused of all sorts of
dastardly things as a MasterCAM VAR? Jon is now holding up Charles up
in this group as an example. So Jon were you and your "RELIABLE"
sources wrong yet again?

Tom

[J. Carroll]

Post by b***@aol.com

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:06:33 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer

Post by jon_banquer
Charles Davis now sells SolidCAM.

Whoopie !!

Isn't Charles Davis the guy Jon trashed and accused of all sorts of
dastardly things as a MasterCAM VAR? Jon is now holding up Charles up
in this group as an example. So Jon were you and your "RELIABLE"
sources wrong yet again?
Tom

Just unreliable, and uninformed as usual.