Accountability......

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Gunner Asch

2011-12-10 18:30:12 UTC

Accountability:

Who is really to blame?
Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
the financial straits we are in today?

Here are two separate articles saying the same thing in different
language; please read them both.

Remember the day the Democrats took over.

Or, in other words, It's still Bush's Fault because so many people don't
remember.

Don't just skim over this, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in
doubt, check it out.

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was
actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of
Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first
time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the
Congress:

At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5% The Unemployment rate was
4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of
JOB CREATION!

Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of
the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES !

THANK YOU DEMOCRATS for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6%
Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting
in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy).
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?
OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?

OBAMA, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and the Democrat Congress
So when someone tries to blame Bush...

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the
gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving.

Set the record straight on Bush!

"It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what
they know isn't so" -Ronald Reagan

B-B-B-B-But it's his Fault!
As president Reagan said (paraphrasing): "These facts can be difficult
things to deal with."

The Washington Post babbled again recently about Obama inheriting a huge
deficit from Bush.

Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this BULL.
So once more, a short civics lesson.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and
the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat
Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009
as well as 2010 & 2011 .

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused
them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough
on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush
entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running
until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a
massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that
very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he
signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period: (below)
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the
last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five
years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that,
Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack
Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I
voted for
and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends
it on!.......................

Delma T. Ivey

2011-12-10 18:35:14 UTC

Permalink

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Gunner Asch

2011-12-10 22:16:27 UTC

Permalink

On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

<VBG>

You are big on claims...but nonexistant on proof.

We will be waiting for your proof.

Bring it on.

Double dare you.

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Gunner, waiting with interest

Delma T. Ivey

2011-12-10 22:37:23 UTC

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Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

“We can put light where there’s darkness, and hope where there’s
despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a
nation to encourage folks to own their own home.” — President Bush, Oct.
15, 2002

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?pagewanted=all

Also in the same story:

He pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among
minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to
expand the Republican tent — and with the business interests of
some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off
approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president
spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation
of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former
Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Mr. Bush
chose to oversee them — an old prep school buddy — pronounced the
companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Mr. Bush dismissed warnings from
people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were
inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the
economy deteriorated, Mr. Bush and his team misdiagnosed the
reasons and scope of the downturn; as recently as February, for
example, Mr. Bush was still calling it a “rough patch.”

You're such a simpleton, gummer.

Gunner Asch

2011-12-11 06:55:18 UTC

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On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

We can put light where theres darkness, and hope where theres
despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a
nation to encourage folks to own their own home. President Bush, Oct.
15, 2002
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?pagewanted=all
He pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among
minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to
expand the Republican tent and with the business interests of
some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off
approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.
Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president
spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation
of the companies,

You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/

The credit crisis and the lack of oversight over government-subsidized
lenders like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac occurred on the watch of George
Bush, and many blame his economic team for their lack of oversight in
the collapse. Barack Obama has made this point one of his major
campaign themes, arguing that John McCain would provide more of the same
failures that Bush did. However, what many do not recall is that Bush
wanted to tighten oversight with a new regulatory board for Fannie Mae,
Freddie Mac, and other government recipients for the express purpose of
addressing bad loan practices and Democrats blocked it.

The New York Times reported this five years ago:

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant
regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new
agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume
supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored
companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending
industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with
Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the
companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business.
And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks
of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight
of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which together have issued more than
$1.5 trillion in outstanding debt is broken. A report by outside
investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its
accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does
not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

This should have been a no-brainer, right? With hindsight, we can see
that the Bush administration had accurately diagnosed the problem in the
lending market and had a plan to address it. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
reluctantly supported the plan. However, Democrats objected (emphases
mine):

Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National
Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that
tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

These two entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing
any kind of financial crisis, said Representative Barney Frank of
Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is
on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable
housing.

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

I dont see much other than a shell game going on here, moving
something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the
bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable
housing, Mr. Watt said.

Sounds a little like the Democratic denial of problems in Social
Security, doesnt it? Nothing to see here, no crisis on the horizon.
Everybody just move along, now. The Democrats had forced lenders to
assume more risk at lower interest rates in the 1990s, as IBD points out
today, and they didnt want to countenance an end to their populist
policies:

But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with
multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and
originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now
infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Streets
most revered institutions.

Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they
had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that
sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was
either that or face stiff government penalties.

The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President
Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended
Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so
doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he
and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but predatory.

Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the
secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities
traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the 90s by Clinton
and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this
slow-motion financial train wreck.

And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the
quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage
the real estate market in America.

It was the Bush administration that wanted to rein in the madness in the
credit markets, and the Democrats who wanted to extend the Clinton
policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the
shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to
the administration that wanted to increase oversight and curtail risk in
lending practices while reducing patronage at the giant GSEs.

The Bush administration isnt blameless in letting this get out of hand,
but clearly the origins of the disaster and the efforts to keep bad
policies in place fall on the Democrats in this case.

Update: John Lott points me to a March column he wrote at Fox News
explaining the underlying causes of the debacle. Forcing lenders to
make questionable loans and blocking tougher regulation of the
government-supported entities was a recipe for collapse, and Lott
explained it six months before it happened.

Allen Drake

2011-12-11 07:58:10 UTC

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Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/
The credit crisis and the lack of oversight over government-subsidized
lenders like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac occurred on the watch of George
Bush, and many blame his economic team for their lack of oversight in
the collapse. Barack Obama has made this point one of his major
campaign themes, arguing that John McCain would provide more of the same
failures that Bush did. However, what many do not recall is that Bush
wanted to tighten oversight with a new regulatory board for Fannie Mae,
Freddie Mac, and other government recipients for the express purpose of
addressing bad loan practices and Democrats blocked it.
The Bush administration today recommended the most significant
regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new
agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume
supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored
companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending
industry.
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with
Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the
companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business.
And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks
of their ballooning portfolios.
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight
of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which together have issued more than
$1.5 trillion in outstanding debt is broken. A report by outside
investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its
accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does
not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
This should have been a no-brainer, right? With hindsight, we can see
that the Bush administration had accurately diagnosed the problem in the
lending market and had a plan to address it. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
reluctantly supported the plan. However, Democrats objected (emphases
Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National
Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that
tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
These two entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing
any kind of financial crisis, said Representative Barney Frank of
Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is
on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable
housing.
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
I dont see much other than a shell game going on here, moving
something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the
bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable
housing, Mr. Watt said.
Sounds a little like the Democratic denial of problems in Social
Security, doesnt it? Nothing to see here, no crisis on the horizon.
Everybody just move along, now. The Democrats had forced lenders to
assume more risk at lower interest rates in the 1990s, as IBD points out
today, and they didnt want to countenance an end to their populist
But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with
multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and
originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now
infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Streets
most revered institutions.
Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they
had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that
sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was
either that or face stiff government penalties.
The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President
Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended
Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so
doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he
and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but predatory.
Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the
secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities
traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the 90s by Clinton
and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this
slow-motion financial train wreck.
And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the
quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage
the real estate market in America.
It was the Bush administration that wanted to rein in the madness in the
credit markets, and the Democrats who wanted to extend the Clinton
policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the
shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to
the administration that wanted to increase oversight and curtail risk in
lending practices while reducing patronage at the giant GSEs.
The Bush administration isnt blameless in letting this get out of hand,
but clearly the origins of the disaster and the efforts to keep bad
policies in place fall on the Democrats in this case.
Update: John Lott points me to a March column he wrote at Fox News
explaining the underlying causes of the debacle. Forcing lenders to
make questionable loans and blocking tougher regulation of the
government-supported entities was a recipe for collapse, and Lott
explained it six months before it happened.

You are the one that is dumb. Why didn't the republican controlled
congress and WH do something when they could? Because they are just as
stupid as you Gumby.

"It's all Clinton's fault"

Blame the other guys Gumby. You have nothing else but denial anyway.

Wahahahahaha..................

Vick Hammerston

2012-01-01 04:51:21 UTC

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Post by Allen Drake

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credi...
The credit crisis and the lack of oversight over government-subsidized
lenders like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac occurred on the watch of George
Bush, and many blame his economic team for their lack of oversight in
the collapse. Barack Obama has made this point one of his major
campaign themes, arguing that John McCain would provide more of the same
failures that Bush did. However, what many do not recall is that Bush
wanted to tighten oversight with a new regulatory board for Fannie Mae,
Freddie Mac, and other government recipients for the express purpose of
addressing bad loan practices — and Democrats blocked it.
The Bush administration today recommended the most significant
regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new
agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume
supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored
companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending
industry.
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with
Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the
companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business.
And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks
of their ballooning portfolios.
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight
of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than
$1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside
investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its
accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does
not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
This should have been a no-brainer, right? With hindsight, we can see
that the Bush administration had accurately diagnosed the problem in the
lending market and had a plan to address it. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
reluctantly supported the plan. However, Democrats objected (emphases
Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National
Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that
tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing
any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of
Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.
”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is
on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable
housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving
something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the
bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable
housing,” Mr. Watt said.
Sounds a little like the Democratic denial of problems in Social
Security, doesn’t it? Nothing to see here, no crisis on the horizon.
Everybody just move along, now. The Democrats had forced lenders to
assume more risk at lower interest rates in the 1990s, as IBD points out
today, and they didn’t want to countenance an end to their populist
But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with
multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and
originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now
infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street’s
most revered institutions.
Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they
had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that
sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was
either that or face stiff government penalties.
The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President
Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended
Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so
doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he
and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but “predatory.”
Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the
secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities
traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the ’90s by Clinton
and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this
slow-motion financial train wreck.
And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the
quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage
the real estate market in America.
It was the Bush administration that wanted to rein in the madness in the
credit markets, and the Democrats who wanted to extend the Clinton
policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the
shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to
the administration that wanted to increase oversight and curtail risk in
lending practices while reducing patronage at the giant GSEs.
The Bush administration isn’t blameless in letting this get out of hand,
but clearly the origins of the disaster and the efforts to keep bad
policies in place fall on the Democrats in this case.
Update: John Lott points me to a March column he wrote at Fox News
explaining the underlying causes of the debacle. Forcing lenders to
make questionable loans and blocking tougher regulation of the
government-supported entities was a recipe for collapse, and Lott
explained it six months before it happened.

You are the one that is dumb. Why didn't the republican controlled
congress and WH do something when they could? Because they are just as
stupid as you Gumby.
"It's all Clinton's fault"
Blame the other guys Gumby. You have nothing else but denial anyway.
Wahahahahaha..................

That's the problem with you socialists, your disgusting refusal to
accept accountability for Republican mistakes. At least when we
blame the left for all our our problems and hold you accountable, we
mean it.

Delma T. Ivey

2011-12-11 15:07:25 UTC

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Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/
[snip tedious copypasta that doesn't say anything]

None of that refutes that Bush, and Republicans before him, wanted to
expand house ownership among poor people who couldn't afford houses.

Thanks for proving you're not a libertarian.

Gunner Asch

2011-12-11 16:00:41 UTC

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On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:07:25 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/
[snip tedious copypasta that doesn't say anything]

None of that refutes that Bush, and Republicans before him, wanted to
expand house ownership among poor people who couldn't afford houses.

Of course it doesnt. And that wasnt the issue. It was the Democrats who
took not only all the controls off the plan..but sent us into the Great
Depression 2.

Post by Delma T. Ivey
Thanks for proving you're not a libertarian.

Posting cites proves that Im not a libertarian??????

LAUGHLAUGHLAUGHLAUGH!!

What a cockbreath you are!! A mentally ill, deranged and specious bit
of shit stuck between the toes of a rabid mangy dog!

Laugh Laugh Laugh!!!

Time to put you in the kill file, my work is done here with you. Once
again..you show all the readers why Leftwingers are....shit.

And you have done it so well and thorougly too!!
Thanks Dickbreath!!

<Plink>

Gunner

Delma T. Ivey

2011-12-11 16:19:46 UTC

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Post by Gunner Asch
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:07:25 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:37:23 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Post by Gunner Asch
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:35:14 -0800, "Delma T. Ivey"

Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Prove it.

You are such a fucktard Dickbreath.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/
[snip tedious copypasta that doesn't say anything]

None of that refutes that Bush, and Republicans before him, wanted to
expand house ownership among poor people who couldn't afford houses.

Of course it doesnt. And that wasnt the issue.

That was precisely the issue, not-libertarian gummer. I didn't say that
Bush or any other Republicans were mostly responsible - I said they
shared in the responsibility, and that Bush adopted specific policies
and took specific actions that helped make the problem worse. I am right.

You stupid not-tough squat-to-piss impotent cocksucker.

DCI

2011-12-11 21:31:03 UTC

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Post by Delma T. Ivey

Federal meddling in the real estate and mortgage markets was always a
bipartisan effort. The Republicans are every bit as much to blame as
the Democrats.

Accountability is a word not found in any Federal Government
dictionary.

DCI

Too_Many_Tools

2011-12-11 07:08:52 UTC

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Post by Gunner Asch
Who is really to blame?
Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
the financial straits we are in today?
Here are two separate articles saying the same thing in different
language; please read them both.
Remember the day the Democrats took over.
Or, in other words, It's still Bush's Fault because so many people don't
remember.
Don't just skim over this, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in
doubt, check it out.
The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was
actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of
Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress.
The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first
time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5% The Unemployment rate was
4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of
JOB CREATION!
Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of
the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES !
THANK YOU DEMOCRATS for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6%
Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting
in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy).
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?
OBAMA
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and the Democrat Congress
So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"
Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the
gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving.
Set the record straight on Bush!
"It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what
they know isn't so" -Ronald Reagan
B-B-B-B-But it's his Fault!
As president Reagan said (paraphrasing): "These facts can be difficult
things to deal with."
The Washington Post babbled again recently about Obama inheriting a huge
deficit from Bush.
Amazingly enough, a lot of people swallow this BULL.
So once more, a short civics lesson.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and
the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat
Party.
Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009
as well as 2010 & 2011 .
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused
them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough
on spending increases.
For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush
entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running
until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a
massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.
And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that
very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he
signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.
Let's remember what the deficits looked like during that period: (below)
If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the
last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five
years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that,
Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack
Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I
voted for
and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.
There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends
it on!.......................

Just can't accept the Truth I see.

I bet you blame your creditors who made you a dirt poor Republican
right?

Stupid conservative fool.

TMT

Frunobulax

2011-12-14 01:55:01 UTC

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Post by Gunner Asch
Who is really to blame?
Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
the financial straits we are in today?

Speaking of accountability, why don't you tell us all about the time
you let the State of Kalifornia pick up the tab on $20K worth of your
common-law wifes' medical bills?
Memba that, Marky Mark? Good times.

George Plimpton

2011-12-14 02:18:45 UTC

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Post by Frunobulax

Post by Gunner Asch
Who is really to blame?
Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
the financial straits we are in today?

And how much did the taxpayers of California and Kern County have to
shell out for his coronary bypass surgery? I wonder why the land baron
didn't sell some of his vast acreage in order to pay for it himself?

Gunner Asch

2011-12-14 08:57:52 UTC

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Post by Frunobulax

Post by Gunner Asch
Who is really to blame?
Who is accountable and responsible to the citizens of our Republic for
the financial straits we are in today?

Actually..neither the State nor Kern Co paid a cent.

Now speaking of accountability...lets discuss the Democrats creating the
Great Depression 2 that we are currently experinceing...shall we?

Lets see..they took control of Congress, both houses... in January of
2007...and 6 months later..the bottom fell out of the economy

Funny how that happened...no?

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was
actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of
Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first
time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the
Congress:

At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5% The Unemployment rate was
4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of
JOB CREATION!

Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of
the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES !

THANK YOU DEMOCRATS for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6%
Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting
in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy).
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?
OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?

OBAMA, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and the Democrat Congress
So when someone tries to blame Bush...

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the
gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving.

Gunner

Frunobulax

2011-12-14 12:34:43 UTC