Edgecam vs Featurecam

[jon_banquer]

See my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, for my thoughts.

[vinny]

Post by jon_banquer
See my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, for my thoughts.

************
look, it's ok to want the best product, it's ok to rip into these cam
packages for high end stuff so power users can
be "unhindered". I get it.
but....
WHOLLY SKILLSET BATMAN!
Are you aware just how low skilled the common cam user is?

It's 2015 and I still cant get a friggen program that touches the part more
than the air! And thats on Unigraphics, its like a million dollars a seat.
People just plugging in feedrates without taking into account the geometry.
Libraries full of cutters that have the wrong corner radius by .001, 1"
clearance planes on milling (she goes up, she comes down, cuts for a second,
she goes up...etc...)

STOP picking on the software, and start hammering on the losers running it.
ANY software, even bobcrap can keep the friggen tool down!

Here we are, going 100 ipm across an electrode and the damn thing has a
strait line rapid into the air at the end of each line!
Connect that shit, keep the damn tool out of rapid mode!

But here "you" are complaining about shit almost ALL cam users dont even
know about, its not on the 9 step list they were given when they were
trained.
Post processors that are shit! Nobody can edit them. Even after a 2 week
class!
Still waiting after 3 months on the new post for a simple 3 axis horizontal!

GOOD LORD!

breathe///// lol

So I let go of the wire edm for a while, and I look at the programs made in
Esprit.
1 pocket...4 friggen programs!

4 programs!

So I casually (nicely) ask why, and I'm told "thats the only way to do it,
it has taper".

ok. whatever you say skippy.

See what I mean, its not the software falling short, its the user base.
There was a time cad/cam being technical in itself weeded out all the riff
raff.
But not anymore, the common machine operator is now being trained to do cam.

we are fucked.

Nobody cares, Its all status quote now.
Raises come from bitching and doing time.
keep your head down, dont make any noise...employee of the year.

Make a machine or process rock...nobody will notice.
Use software to its fullest potential...nobody will notice.

If a cam program gets used by an intelligent person in the woods, did it
make a noise?
nope.

[Just Me]

As has been said many times here by
many people JB doesn't know very
much about cad and cam.
He seems to think that parroting
others,and "pretending" ,makes him
knowledgeable.
Providing a space for others to bitch
doesn't mean you actually know anything.

[jon_banquer]

Post by vinny

Post by jon_banquer
See my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, for my thoughts.

************
look, it's ok to want the best product, it's ok to rip into these cam
packages for high end stuff so power users can
be "unhindered". I get it.
but....
WHOLLY SKILLSET BATMAN!
Are you aware just how low skilled the common cam user is?
It's 2015 and I still cant get a friggen program that touches the part more
than the air! And thats on Unigraphics, its like a million dollars a seat.
People just plugging in feedrates without taking into account the geometry.
Libraries full of cutters that have the wrong corner radius by .001, 1"
clearance planes on milling (she goes up, she comes down, cuts for a second,
she goes up...etc...)
STOP picking on the software, and start hammering on the losers running it.
ANY software, even bobcrap can keep the friggen tool down!
Here we are, going 100 ipm across an electrode and the damn thing has a
strait line rapid into the air at the end of each line!
Connect that shit, keep the damn tool out of rapid mode!
But here "you" are complaining about shit almost ALL cam users dont even
know about, its not on the 9 step list they were given when they were
trained.
Post processors that are shit! Nobody can edit them. Even after a 2 week
class!
Still waiting after 3 months on the new post for a simple 3 axis horizontal!
GOOD LORD!
breathe///// lol
So I let go of the wire edm for a while, and I look at the programs made in
Esprit.
1 pocket...4 friggen programs!
4 programs!
So I casually (nicely) ask why, and I'm told "thats the only way to do it,
it has taper".
ok. whatever you say skippy.
See what I mean, its not the software falling short, its the user base.
There was a time cad/cam being technical in itself weeded out all the riff
raff.
But not anymore, the common machine operator is now being trained to do cam.
we are fucked.
Nobody cares, Its all status quote now.
Raises come from bitching and doing time.
keep your head down, dont make any noise...employee of the year.
Make a machine or process rock...nobody will notice.
Use software to its fullest potential...nobody will notice.
If a cam program gets used by an intelligent person in the woods, did it
make a noise?
nope.

What I'm aware of is just how poorly CADCAM software is developed. This is especially true with Mastercam.

There is a reason why the former head of software engineering for Mastercam is a very active member of my LinkedIn group.

[Just Me]

If you understand how poorly software is designed then why don't
you actually do something.
Anybody can start a LinkedIn group
and attract like minded people,but
so far it's like the weather,everybody
complains but nobody does anything.

So far on this group or your LinkedIn
one I have not seen a single suggestion
on actually how mc or others might
implement something.
Why don't you write some demo code
that does something better,or maybe
a macro to simplify several badly
thought out steps.

Sorry,I keep forgetting,any of those
are way beyond your skills,all you
can do is bitch and insult ,and you
are good at that.

[jon_banquer]

Post by Just Me
If you understand how poorly software is designed then why don't
you actually do something.
Anybody can start a LinkedIn group
and attract like minded people,but
so far it's like the weather,everybody
complains but nobody does anything.
So far on this group or your LinkedIn
one I have not seen a single suggestion
on actually how mc or others might
implement something.
Why don't you write some demo code
that does something better,or maybe
a macro to simplify several badly
thought out steps.
Sorry,I keep forgetting,any of those
are way beyond your skills,all you
can do is bitch and insult ,and you
are good at that.

Your so stupid that you don't understand the purpose of my LinkedIn group or most of the subject matter that gets discussed there.

You're an anonymous posting pussy for damn good reason.

[vinny]

Post by jon_banquer

Post by vinny

Post by jon_banquer
See my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, for my thoughts.

************
look, it's ok to want the best product, it's ok to rip into these cam
packages for high end stuff so power users can
be "unhindered". I get it.
but....
WHOLLY SKILLSET BATMAN!
Are you aware just how low skilled the common cam user is?
It's 2015 and I still cant get a friggen program that touches the part more
than the air! And thats on Unigraphics, its like a million dollars a seat.
People just plugging in feedrates without taking into account the geometry.
Libraries full of cutters that have the wrong corner radius by .001, 1"
clearance planes on milling (she goes up, she comes down, cuts for a second,
she goes up...etc...)
STOP picking on the software, and start hammering on the losers running it.
ANY software, even bobcrap can keep the friggen tool down!
Here we are, going 100 ipm across an electrode and the damn thing has a
strait line rapid into the air at the end of each line!
Connect that shit, keep the damn tool out of rapid mode!
But here "you" are complaining about shit almost ALL cam users dont even
know about, its not on the 9 step list they were given when they were
trained.
Post processors that are shit! Nobody can edit them. Even after a 2 week
class!
Still waiting after 3 months on the new post for a simple 3 axis horizontal!
GOOD LORD!
breathe///// lol
So I let go of the wire edm for a while, and I look at the programs made in
Esprit.
1 pocket...4 friggen programs!
4 programs!
So I casually (nicely) ask why, and I'm told "thats the only way to do it,
it has taper".
ok. whatever you say skippy.
See what I mean, its not the software falling short, its the user base.
There was a time cad/cam being technical in itself weeded out all the riff
raff.
But not anymore, the common machine operator is now being trained to do cam.
we are fucked.
Nobody cares, Its all status quote now.
Raises come from bitching and doing time.
keep your head down, dont make any noise...employee of the year.
Make a machine or process rock...nobody will notice.
Use software to its fullest potential...nobody will notice.
If a cam program gets used by an intelligent person in the woods, did it
make a noise?
nope.

What I'm aware of is just how poorly CADCAM software is developed. This is
especially true with Mastercam.
There is a reason why the former head of software engineering for
Mastercam is a very active member of my LinkedIn group.

Dood...you just said mastercam sux, then said the guy who makes it is a
cough"very" active member of your linkcrap group.
do you even read your own posts?

I feel like I was just bugs bunnied.

Whatever...
Now back to mastercam.
You sir are very wrong about mastercam.
mastercam is damn near a learning tool, no wait, it is a learning tool. And
although its less solid than unigraphics or cimatron,
the cost is reflective of that fact.

As far as intuitive...bells and whistles...new gimmics, mastercam wins hands
down.

If i had 20 programmers, i prolly wouldnt go mastercam.
It changes too fast. it gives too much freedom for people to do their own
thing.
But for me personally, you can keep your cimatron. your esprit, your
unigraphics, high end crapolla.
I pick mastercam!!

It's the only software out of the 20 I ran I can play devils advocate with
all day long.
Iv'e said it before, you cry to us what it wont do, and I'll post how to do
it, and I dont even run the shit anymore!

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[jon_banquer]

On Monday, January 5, 2015 4:10:16 PM UTC-8, vinny wrote nothing of value:

<Worthless nonsense snipped>

Nothing to respond to.

[jon_banquer]

Post by jon_banquer
See my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, for my thoughts.

Edgecam 2015 R1 is out now. Yet another excellent release.

[jon_banquer]

Post by jon_banquer

Post by jon_banquer
See my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, for my thoughts.

Edgecam 2015 R1 is out now. Yet another excellent release.

Bump

[jon_banquer]

Post by jon_banquer

Post by jon_banquer
See my LinkedIn group, CADCAM Technology Leaders, for my thoughts.

Edgecam 2015 R1 is out now. Yet another excellent release.

Bump