ONECNC Software bogus or what?

[dewittian]

Has anyone seen or used this new software? I need the cons and pros. The
price seems to good to be true????

Paul

[Cliff Huprich]

Post by dewittian
Has anyone seen or used this new software? I need the cons and pros. The
price seems to good to be true????

Paul,
A check ot the newsgroup archives is probably in order.

See
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=ONECNC&num=100&as_scoring=d&hl=en&ie
=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=alt.machine
s.cnc&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&as_umsgid=&lr=lang_en&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as
_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=7&as_maxm=7&as_maxy=2003&safe=off>

HTH

[Michael]

Post by dewittian
Has anyone seen or used this new software? I need the cons and pros. The
price seems to good to be true????
Paul

In their initial versions OneCNC had a product that needed much
improvement. Their new Expert package is actually QUITE good. It is
one of the most improved packages I have ever seen. Nice interface,
tool setup sheets now interactive via email with screen images of the
model automatically inserted etc, tool customization is excellent,
toolpath algorithms are indeed excellent as well.
Right now OneCNC and Visualmill BOTH give you much bang for the
dollar you are spending. Both of these packages give you much more
than a $13k Mastercam where you have to BUY posts forever from the
company. OneCNC and Visualmill BOTH have Post creation utilitiy
programs at NO added cost that allow you to create or edit your own
posts. Both come with many posts included at no extra cost. Both
companies provide customer support with the packages to get you up to
speed. Both of these companies have dedicated themselves to ending the
"buy support and training lifeline" from cam software vendors who
continue to rape the customer after the sale. If more people will open
their eyes to these two companies software products and the huge
savings that have been available now for a few years, the benefits
would be huge.
In this era of "lean and mean", you simply cut yourself short to NOT
review these newer products and the savings being offered by both
companies. Both companies are entering multi axis right now, it will
be a short time until they offer even more. Both products have free
demo software available.
Michael

[Cliff Huprich]

Post by Michael
Right now OneCNC and Visualmill BOTH give you much bang for the
dollar you are spending. Both of these packages give you much more
than a $13k Mastercam

Both pretty good at 5 axes contouring & 4 axes EDM are they?

And no charges ever for support or upgrades to new releases you say?

And you MUST buy $$$$ ALL posts from MasterCam you say?

How are their translators? Surfacing? Solids?

PS- How is your buddy jb doing these days?

[Cliff Huprich]

Your kneejerk 5 axis commets are out of date

YOU compared the light-duty stuff with MasterCam and said
"Both of these packages give you much more than a $13k Mastercam".

I just pointed out that you are being a little silly yet again.

I assume you don't know anything about 5 axes. Or more than 3. Even
though your sales pitch tehn went on to *claim* they were planning to add
5 axes *later* as an added inducement.

I note you ignored most of my points about fees & costs as well.

You don't remember jb???? More memory issues?

BTW, How many "cheap" packages do YOU need for the work you do?
Seems like you must be using at least 10 by now ... how much does the total
cost and how many are legal copies?

[Cliff Huprich]

Post by Cliff Huprich

Your kneejerk 5 axis commets are out of date

YOU compared the light-duty stuff with MasterCam and said
"Both of these packages give you much more than a $13k Mastercam".
I just pointed out that you are being a little silly yet again.
I assume you don't know anything about 5 axes. Or more than 3. Even
though your sales pitch tehn went on to *claim* they were planning to add
5 axes *later* as an added inducement.
I note you ignored most of my points about fees & costs as well.
You don't remember jb???? More memory issues?
BTW, How many "cheap" packages do YOU need for the work you do?
Seems like you must be using at least 10 by now ... how much does the total
cost and how many are legal copies?

I bought ALL of my software from the companies who sell the software.

Got any Mickey Mouse watches?

Explain WHY you need so many CAM packages and HOW MUCH
they cost in total. To whoever actually bought them.

You are silly to remain hidden behind your 5 axis arguments,

YOU made the claim that ONECNC was BETTER than MasterCam.
Now it ends up .....

especially since you have never bought a single cam package.

Do you have any proof of this claim?

Your
complete experience is based on being an employee at a company who
bought everything and you just showed up at work. Where is that
statement not correct Cliff?

Many places <G>.
Why do you (and jb) always seem to take a beating?
That *I* made?
YOU said that ONECNC was better. Blanket statement.

I program in my "more affordable"
software for two companies who own Mastercam, one who owns ProE

So ONECNC is a better full CAD/CAM system than Pro-E?

and
others who contract me to program parts that they say their software
does not do well as mine.

Kind of depends on how deep the planar holes are, right?

That is a strong comment from these
companies, one being Ingersol Rand the other a job shop.

No, it's your hearing I expect.

Thanks to complaints from folks like your self both OneCNC and
Visualmill have 5 axis on the way,

But do not now ... either of them?
How about 4 axes Wire or developable surfaces?

I have reviewed the Alpha version
of the next Visualmill,

So you are an Alpha tester for them? LOL ....

get ready to find some new material for your
complaints, 5 axis is coming soon.

Why? You just said it's useless & unneeded .....

Again, I feel a need to mention the
lack of necessity in moldmaking for 5 axis,

You can always buy a lot of special tapered endmills ..... but you are
NOW restricting your comments about 5 axes to moldmaking. IS that
what he does?

you seem to think that
talking 5 axis is some booga-boo discussion, you appear silly and
uninformed to me.

I usually *prove* the same about you <G>.

I pass on any job bids that are 5 axis because of
the poor profit margin when you are required to have million dollar
cnc's to do "occasional" work.

You just told me about programming FOR the customer ..... and what
machines and restricted class of work YOU may have is totally irrelevant.

All you have said is you don't know anything beyond simple 3 axes ....
and don't do it with your simple software.

As I have posted in here before, only
a very small percent of work is "required" 5 axis only. The huge
majority is 3 axis so why pay millions to be able to say that you have
5 axis only to run 3 axis work on the machine.

Most work is actually 2 axes so why not get a nice MDI lathe and
forget the rest?

You appear to be so
narrow minded about cnc machining.

Well, when you start with the BS my detector goes off ....

Now a 3 axis with HSM is going to
make the dollars, not 5 axis.

So he should junk his machine too? And get ONECNC for HSM ....
HOW GOOD IS ONECNC AT HSM?

What about 5 axis HSM, you never
discussed that one,

Is ONECNC any good at it?

are you only familiar with 5 axis old/low tech cnc?

Up to 12 so far .....

What does a good 5 axis with HSM cost these days Cliff?

Thinking of buying one to make signs?

You do
not know? 5 axis HSM would take forever to pay for the cnc, get with
the program Cliff.

Show cost accounting figures to folks like Gary <G>.

I worked with some APT guys about 17 years ago, you sound just like
they did, dinosaurs.

Did they manage to teach you anything or did you just run the machine?

The better profit margin in this era is in fast 3 axis HSM machines,
lower entry cost and more profitability.

Depends on what you are making I suspect.
I don't think you know much. Tell it to the areospace shops.

5 axis is over rated
expensive BS with very slow ROI.

I can see them at Boeing now with a .125 diameter ball end mill
on a wing spar doing 3 axes HSM ..... have you let them know?

[Michael]

Cliff,
You are just here to bitch, piss, and moan. Some guy asks a general
question, which you have NO answer for and all you do is distract from
this newsgroup.
Take your trolling elsewhere, no wonder you are unemployed. Nobody
can stand to be near you for over 2 minutes. FWIW, you are a broken
record of whining about the job you got fired from and too many years
of being unemployed.
Go troll somewhere else Cliff.
Michael

Post by Cliff Huprich

Post by Cliff Huprich

Your kneejerk 5 axis commets are out of date

YOU compared the light-duty stuff with MasterCam and said
"Both of these packages give you much more than a $13k Mastercam".
I just pointed out that you are being a little silly yet again.
I assume you don't know anything about 5 axes. Or more than 3. Even
though your sales pitch tehn went on to *claim* they were planning to add
5 axes *later* as an added inducement.
I note you ignored most of my points about fees & costs as well.
You don't remember jb???? More memory issues?
BTW, How many "cheap" packages do YOU need for the work you do?
Seems like you must be using at least 10 by now ... how much does the total
cost and how many are legal copies?

I bought ALL of my software from the companies who sell the software.

Got any Mickey Mouse watches?
Explain WHY you need so many CAM packages and HOW MUCH
they cost in total. To whoever actually bought them.

You are silly to remain hidden behind your 5 axis arguments,

YOU made the claim that ONECNC was BETTER than MasterCam.
Now it ends up .....

especially since you have never bought a single cam package.

Do you have any proof of this claim?

Your
complete experience is based on being an employee at a company who
bought everything and you just showed up at work. Where is that
statement not correct Cliff?

Many places <G>.
Why do you (and jb) always seem to take a beating?
That *I* made?
YOU said that ONECNC was better. Blanket statement.

I program in my "more affordable"
software for two companies who own Mastercam, one who owns ProE

So ONECNC is a better full CAD/CAM system than Pro-E?

and
others who contract me to program parts that they say their software
does not do well as mine.

Kind of depends on how deep the planar holes are, right?

That is a strong comment from these
companies, one being Ingersol Rand the other a job shop.

No, it's your hearing I expect.

Thanks to complaints from folks like your self both OneCNC and
Visualmill have 5 axis on the way,

But do not now ... either of them?
How about 4 axes Wire or developable surfaces?

I have reviewed the Alpha version
of the next Visualmill,

So you are an Alpha tester for them? LOL ....

get ready to find some new material for your
complaints, 5 axis is coming soon.

Why? You just said it's useless & unneeded .....

Again, I feel a need to mention the
lack of necessity in moldmaking for 5 axis,

You can always buy a lot of special tapered endmills ..... but you are
NOW restricting your comments about 5 axes to moldmaking. IS that
what he does?

you seem to think that
talking 5 axis is some booga-boo discussion, you appear silly and
uninformed to me.

I usually *prove* the same about you <G>.

I pass on any job bids that are 5 axis because of
the poor profit margin when you are required to have million dollar
cnc's to do "occasional" work.

You just told me about programming FOR the customer ..... and what
machines and restricted class of work YOU may have is totally irrelevant.
All you have said is you don't know anything beyond simple 3 axes ....
and don't do it with your simple software.

As I have posted in here before, only
a very small percent of work is "required" 5 axis only. The huge
majority is 3 axis so why pay millions to be able to say that you have
5 axis only to run 3 axis work on the machine.

Most work is actually 2 axes so why not get a nice MDI lathe and
forget the rest?

You appear to be so
narrow minded about cnc machining.

Well, when you start with the BS my detector goes off ....

Now a 3 axis with HSM is going to
make the dollars, not 5 axis.

So he should junk his machine too? And get ONECNC for HSM ....
HOW GOOD IS ONECNC AT HSM?

What about 5 axis HSM, you never
discussed that one,

Is ONECNC any good at it?

are you only familiar with 5 axis old/low tech cnc?

Up to 12 so far .....

What does a good 5 axis with HSM cost these days Cliff?

Thinking of buying one to make signs?

You do
not know? 5 axis HSM would take forever to pay for the cnc, get with
the program Cliff.

Show cost accounting figures to folks like Gary <G>.

I worked with some APT guys about 17 years ago, you sound just like
they did, dinosaurs.

Did they manage to teach you anything or did you just run the machine?

The better profit margin in this era is in fast 3 axis HSM machines,
lower entry cost and more profitability.

Depends on what you are making I suspect.
I don't think you know much. Tell it to the areospace shops.

5 axis is over rated
expensive BS with very slow ROI.

I can see them at Boeing now with a .125 diameter ball end mill
on a wing spar doing 3 axes HSM ..... have you let them know?

[Cliff Huprich]

Post by Michael
Cliff,
You are just here to bitch, piss, and moan.

You failed to answer the wquestions.

Post by Michael
Some guy asks a general
question, which you have NO answer for and all you do is distract from
this newsgroup.

I provided no misleading information saying ONECNC
was better than MasterCam.

As a matter of fact I sugested a search of the archives and even added
a link to the exact search. Long before you posted BTW.

Post by Michael
Take your trolling elsewhere,

But the catch is so good here ....

Post by Michael
no wonder you are unemployed.

How would you know <G>?

Post by Michael
Nobody can stand to be near you for over 2 minutes.

Nobody invited you to tell us how much betterr ONECNC is
than MasterCam & Pro-E and now it seems you cannot
even support your specious claims.

Post by Michael
FWIW, you are a broken
record of whining about the job you got fired from

LOL ... Find any such post.
Go ask jb <BSEG>.

Post by Michael
and too many years of being unemployed.

Better than being a little on the dense side, right?

Post by Michael
Go troll somewhere else Cliff.
Michael

Try posting better information next time.

HTH

[Bill Roberto]

Post by Michael
Cliff,
You are just here to bitch, piss, and moan. Some guy asks a general
question, which you have NO answer for and all you do is distract from
this newsgroup.
Take your trolling elsewhere, no wonder you are unemployed. Nobody
can stand to be near you for over 2 minutes. FWIW, you are a broken
record of whining about the job you got fired from and too many years
of being unemployed.
Go troll somewhere else Cliff.
Michael

If all you want to do is help someone, Cliff and his type can be a very
heavy load.

[Cliff Huprich]

Post by Bill Roberto
If all you want to do is help someone, Cliff and his type can be a very
heavy load.

Bill,
I, at least, prefer my facts honest <G>.

Will you also state that ONECNC is better than MasterCam? In
response to the question "ONECNC Software bogus or what?" ...
and probably (implied) better than Pro-E as well?..

Did anyone warn him of the reported (IIRC) OneCnc SPAM list?

Either support Michael's claims or try to help the original poster.

[Mark Winlund]

Cliff you are really sad example of lonely person lost in the net. I
do understand that you are older than most of us but maybe it is not
too late for you to seek some professional help. In the thousands of
posts that you make there is absolutely no substance. Face it man you
have very little to offer other that your bitterness. I have no idea
what happened to you in the past that turn you in such a pitful soul .
I am sorry to write this message but the true is that if you could
find some other occupation for yourself this thread would be a lot
better place. Makes me sick to browse thru tons of garbage posts
signed by you. Please, once in your life just think thru this friendly
advice.
Sincerely, Jack

Most of the regulars have killfiled him. Too much garbage, very little
substance.

Mark

[PrecisionMachinist]

Post by Mark Winlund

Cliff you are really sad example of lonely person lost in the net. I
do understand that you are older than most of us but maybe it is not
too late for you to seek some professional help. In the thousands of
posts that you make there is absolutely no substance. Face it man you
have very little to offer other that your bitterness. I have no idea
what happened to you in the past that turn you in such a pitful soul .
I am sorry to write this message but the true is that if you could
find some other occupation for yourself this thread would be a lot
better place. Makes me sick to browse thru tons of garbage posts
signed by you. Please, once in your life just think thru this friendly
advice.
Sincerely, Jack

Most of the regulars have killfiled him. Too much garbage, very little
substance.
Mark

Cliff is OK (get it?) :-)
He's just pining for Jon Banquer and their endless flame wars about

nothing.

What ever happened to JB anyway? Straight jacket and padded room?
Banned from
cyberspace? Abducted by aliens? Got therapy?
Fred

You could always email his brother <G>---Just dont mention jb if you wish to
keep an open dialog...

--

SVL

[Steve Mackay]

What ever happened to JB anyway? Straight jacket and padded room?
Banned from
cyberspace? Abducted by aliens? Got therapy?
Fred

I think he got a van and is living in it down by the river.

We've all known for quite some time, he's gone to his seamlessly hybrid,
parametric island where the demos run free and plentiful. Where have you
been Kathy?

[ff]

What ever happened to JB anyway? Straight jacket and padded room?
Banned from
cyberspace? Abducted by aliens? Got therapy?
Fred

I think he got a van and is living in it down by the river.

Chris Farley's "motivational speaker" on SNL ... Good one, Kathy!

Fred

[Cliff Huprich]

Makes me sick to browse thru tons of garbage posts

Probably the one with the most to complain about is Bing's
goat and I've heard no complaints so far <g>.