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PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-11 22:48:46 UTC
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Bummer when this happens :

http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6

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Paul
2006-09-12 00:28:30 UTC
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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
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Mr. PV's ?
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PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-12 00:57:51 UTC
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Post by Paul
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
Mr. PV's ?
Naww, he's in Yonkers IIRC.....while this one is located on the west coast.

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Paul
2006-09-12 14:43:37 UTC
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Post by Paul
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
Mr. PV's ?
Naww, he's in Yonkers IIRC.....
....and MIA AMC for some time now.
Here's hopeing he's just working on bigger things than Usenet buffoonery
these days.
Anyone know?
Perhaps Cliff has been in touch?

Paul
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Joe AutoDrill
2006-09-12 16:03:24 UTC
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Post by Paul
....and MIA AMC for some time now.
Here's hopeing he's just working on bigger things than Usenet buffoonery
these days.
Anyone know?
Perhaps Cliff has been in touch?
I spoke to him on the phone at length about a year ago. Basically a normal
fellow on the phone. Not sure why we sometimes take on different
personalities on the net, but that seems to be the case with him. Nice
fellow from what I remember.

You are correct though - he seems to have disappeared for a while now.
Maybe someone offended him?
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Black Dragon
2006-09-12 22:36:49 UTC
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Post by Joe AutoDrill
Maybe someone offended him?
How the hell does one offend somebody who chooses to use a pseudonym that
effectively says: "I'm Ass Fucked" ?
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PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-13 03:05:16 UTC
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Post by Joe AutoDrill
I spoke to him on the phone at length about a year ago. Basically a normal
fellow
That would be clue #1

HTH

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Cliff
2006-09-12 21:13:50 UTC
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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
Post by Paul
Mr. PV's ?
Naww, he's in Yonkers IIRC.....
....and MIA AMC for some time now.
Here's hopeing he's just working on bigger things than Usenet buffoonery
these days.
Anyone know?
Perhaps Cliff has been in touch?
Nope. He seems to have perhaps changed ISPs ....?
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cncfixxer
2006-09-12 03:07:59 UTC
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It ain't that bad. Hell... I seen a pissed off operator do more damage
then that

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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
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clay
2006-09-12 03:28:23 UTC
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http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
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some sandpaper & paint.. maybe some spindle bearings & spindle wiring...
Viola!
Protagonist
2006-09-12 03:35:17 UTC
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http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
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New paint job and better than new!
JS
PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-13 01:07:27 UTC
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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
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New paint job and better than new!
Somebody has outbid me already...

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cncfixxer
2006-09-13 02:35:34 UTC
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If you put that in a small shed, then set the shed on fire I bet you could
get the insurance company to fix it.
After you get the cash sell it to a friend then he could do the same thing
.. this has more potential then a pyramid scheme.

Kinda like a Christmas fruit cake ...someone gives it to me and the next
year I give it to someone else.

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PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-13 03:09:24 UTC
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Post by cncfixxer
If you put that in a small shed, then set the shed on fire I bet you could
get the insurance company to fix it.
After you get the cash sell it to a friend then he could do the same thing
.. this has more potential then a pyramid scheme.
"Insurance job" crossed my mind too...
Post by cncfixxer
Kinda like a Christmas fruit cake ...someone gives it to me and the next
year I give it to someone else.
Yup, you're "givin it to em" allright....

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Randy
2006-09-12 12:18:55 UTC
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Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)


On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:48:46 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
Thank You,
Randy

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Bill Roberto
2006-09-12 13:22:26 UTC
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Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Let Cliff write your programs. There may be something in the Guinness
Book of World Records under "Most machines crashed by a clueless
programmer", or "Manufacturings biggest crashes by the biggest
blowhard." It is very possible Cliff is the worlds greatest machine
crasher in several different categories. Over several generations.
Globally. He could very well be responsible for the 1982 recession. He
may have been the reason the Japanese took over the American automotive
market. The full extent of Cliffs influence over manufacturing may never
be calculated due to the volume. It feels good to recognize anothers
achievments and compliment them on a job well done. Good job Cliff!
Steve Mackay
2006-09-12 14:27:44 UTC
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Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Let Cliff write your programs. There may be something in the Guinness
Book of World Records under "Most machines crashed by a clueless
programmer", or "Manufacturings biggest crashes by the biggest
blowhard." It is very possible Cliff is the worlds greatest machine
crasher in several different categories. Over several generations.
Globally. He could very well be responsible for the 1982 recession. He
may have been the reason the Japanese took over the American automotive
market. The full extent of Cliffs influence over manufacturing may never
be calculated due to the volume. It feels good to recognize anothers
achievments and compliment them on a job well done. Good job Cliff!
ROFLMAO! Bravo Bill, Bravo!
Why
2006-09-12 17:31:20 UTC
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Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Let Cliff write your programs. There may be something in the Guinness
Book of World Records under "Most machines crashed by a clueless
programmer", or "Manufacturings biggest crashes by the biggest
blowhard." It is very possible Cliff is the worlds greatest machine
crasher in several different categories. Over several generations.
Globally. He could very well be responsible for the 1982 recession. He
may have been the reason the Japanese took over the American automotive
market. The full extent of Cliffs influence over manufacturing may never
be calculated due to the volume. It feels good to recognize anothers
achievments and compliment them on a job well done. Good job Cliff!
OIL does bad things to machines. That's why my 1992 Hardinge will
after 14 years only hold hold .0003, when I bought it would hold
.0002. It will hold .0002 on Dia if I screw with the offsets. .0004 is
easy, but then I run OIL <g>.
Wayne Weedon
2006-09-12 20:44:07 UTC
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Post by Why
OIL does bad things to machines. That's why my 1992 Hardinge will
after 14 years only hold hold .0003, when I bought it would hold
.0002. It will hold .0002 on Dia if I screw with the offsets. .0004 is
easy, but then I run OIL <g>.
Hehe... My 1984 Hardinge HXL-S is similar. Slideways look like they
were ground yesterday.

BUT I'll tell you that cutting oil does the PVC sheaved cables no good
whatsoever. I have recently found this out whilst retrofitting the
machine, just about all the cables that spent their life exposed in any
way to the neat cutting oil are now as stiff as posts.

Not that I care much, new cables will give me peace of mind.

Wayne...
Cliff
2006-09-12 21:19:02 UTC
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Post by Why
OIL does bad things to machines. That's why my 1992 Hardinge will
after 14 years only hold hold .0003, when I bought it would hold
.0002. It will hold .0002 on Dia if I screw with the offsets. .0004 is
easy, but then I run OIL <g>.
Hehe... My 1984 Hardinge HXL-S is similar. Slideways look like they
were ground yesterday.
BUT I'll tell you that cutting oil does the PVC sheaved cables no good
whatsoever. I have recently found this out whilst retrofitting the
machine, just about all the cables that spent their life exposed in any
way to the neat cutting oil are now as stiff as posts.
Not that I care much, new cables will give me peace of mind.
What sort of cable insulation should be used?
If they don't move, perhaps Teflon???
What do the codes allow these days?
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Wayne Weedon
2006-09-12 22:40:52 UTC
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Post by Wayne Weedon
Not that I care much, new cables will give me peace of mind.
What sort of cable insulation should be used?
If they don't move, perhaps Teflon???
What do the codes allow these days?
Don't know the answer, but I'll be using good quality cable of the same
type as originally fitted. It's lasted 22 years on those Brand Rexx
cables. Just I wouldn't trust them for too much longer.

Wayne...
cncfixxer
2006-09-13 02:24:41 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by Wayne Weedon
Not that I care much, new cables will give me peace of mind.
What sort of cable insulation should be used?
If they don't move, perhaps Teflon???
What do the codes allow these days?
Don't know the answer, but I'll be using good quality cable of the same
type as originally fitted. It's lasted 22 years on those Brand Rexx
cables. Just I wouldn't trust them for too much longer.
Wayne...
I donno what HAAS uses but I had 2 cables break on X axis ..the new one and
the replacement.
First was warranty but #2 was on us. Cable gets like solid PVC pipe. I
went with SOJ after number 2.
c***@lycos.com
2006-09-13 14:06:16 UTC
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Post by Wayne Weedon
BUT I'll tell you that cutting oil does the PVC sheaved cables no good
whatsoever. I have recently found this out whilst retrofitting the
machine, just about all the cables that spent their life exposed in any
way to the neat cutting oil are now as stiff as posts.
Toliet water does't do any better. I've replaced a lot of stiff or
broken cables.

Wes S
Why
2006-09-13 17:28:32 UTC
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Post by Wayne Weedon
BUT I'll tell you that cutting oil does the PVC sheaved cables no good
whatsoever. I have recently found this out whilst retrofitting the
machine, just about all the cables that spent their life exposed in any
way to the neat cutting oil are now as stiff as posts.
Toliet water does't do any better. I've replaced a lot of stiff or
broken cables.
Wes S
Yep, but not worn out slides, gibs, with OIL <G>.
And you don't need a skimmer, Skim for what "tramp oil in a oil
machine" ? <Grin>.
Wayne Weedon
2006-09-13 17:51:06 UTC
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Post by c***@lycos.com
Toliet water does't do any better. I've replaced a lot of stiff or
broken cables.
Wes S
Yep, but not worn out slides, gibs, with OIL <G>.
And you don't need a skimmer, Skim for what "tramp oil in a oil
machine" ? <Grin>.
There's also hardly any chance of parts rusting.

Only drawbacks that affect me are that 1. It can be messy 2. Some smoke
issues on harder materials, 3. The oil can stain some materials.

The cost is an issue too, my HXL-S holds 25 gallons of neat cutting oil.
Total replacement costs a fair bit!

I still prefer the cutting oil on the hardinge's though. I Once worked
as a place with CHNC's. In a rash cost saving exercise they changed
them to Soluble Oils. If I recall correctly is was a matter of days
before the turret encoders stopped working! hehe....

Wayne...
Why
2006-09-14 04:16:58 UTC
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Post by Why
Post by c***@lycos.com
Toliet water does't do any better. I've replaced a lot of stiff or
broken cables.
Wes S
Yep, but not worn out slides, gibs, with OIL <G>.
And you don't need a skimmer, Skim for what "tramp oil in a oil
machine" ? <Grin>.
There's also hardly any chance of parts rusting.
Only drawbacks that affect me are that 1. It can be messy 2. Some smoke
issues on harder materials, 3. The oil can stain some materials.
It will not stain brass IF you wash the days run in Naptha before you
quit.
Post by Wayne Weedon
The cost is an issue too, my HXL-S holds 25 gallons of neat cutting oil.
Total replacement costs a fair bit!
Yep, but you only have to buy oil once.
Cliff
2006-09-14 05:36:43 UTC
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Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
The cost is an issue too, my HXL-S holds 25 gallons of neat cutting oil.
Total replacement costs a fair bit!
Yep, but you only have to buy oil once.
Has anyone tried used motor oil?
Should be pretty cheap. But you may need to find a source
for the usual cutting additives (and what they are, exactly).
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D Murphy
2006-09-14 06:00:17 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
The cost is an issue too, my HXL-S holds 25 gallons of neat cutting oil.
Total replacement costs a fair bit!
Yep, but you only have to buy oil once.
Has anyone tried used motor oil?
Should be pretty cheap. But you may need to find a source
for the usual cutting additives (and what they are, exactly).
STP or similar works well as a cutting oil additive. It's the EP chemicals
that work the magic.
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Cliff
2006-09-14 08:59:35 UTC
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Post by D Murphy
Post by Cliff
Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
The cost is an issue too, my HXL-S holds 25 gallons of neat cutting oil.
Total replacement costs a fair bit!
Yep, but you only have to buy oil once.
Has anyone tried used motor oil?
Should be pretty cheap. But you may need to find a source
for the usual cutting additives (and what they are, exactly).
STP or similar works well as a cutting oil additive. It's the EP chemicals
that work the magic.
The Sulfur, Chlorine compounds & Phosphates ....
Just slippery does not do it all (except perhaps at low speeds &
with easy materials).
Same general classes of additives as used in water-based cutting
fluids though perhaps not the same exact chemicals.
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Why
2006-09-14 16:19:22 UTC
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Post by D Murphy
Post by Cliff
Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
Total replacement costs a fair bit!
Yep, but you never have to toilet replace oil, after the first time.
Post by D Murphy
Post by Cliff
Post by Why
Yep, but you only have to buy oil once.
Has anyone tried used motor oil?
Should be pretty cheap. But you may need to find a source
for the usual cutting additives (and what they are, exactly).
Used motor oil has so much crap in it I wouldn't put it any machine.
But then "might" be better than Toilet water <g>.
Post by D Murphy
STP or similar works well as a cutting oil additive. It's the EP chemicals
that work the magic.
Hmm, never tried that, but it's very thick.
Right now I use hangsterfers 5418. What say Dan?
Cliff
2006-09-14 20:25:32 UTC
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Post by Why
Post by Cliff
Post by Why
Yep, but you only have to buy oil once.
Has anyone tried used motor oil?
Should be pretty cheap. But you may need to find a source
for the usual cutting additives (and what they are, exactly).
Used motor oil has so much crap in it I wouldn't put it any machine.
The prohibited the Lead some years ago and most folks
change their oil way before it's very "dirty".
I'd check out a few quick-oil change places. Perhaps they
could save the better stuff .... IF it would work.

Engines usually get over 100,000 miles using it ('Vettes excluded
still I expect <G>) ... can it be that bad for cutting?
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D Murphy
2006-09-14 21:27:05 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Engines usually get over 100,000 miles using it ('Vettes excluded
still I expect <G>) ... can it be that bad for cutting?
Depends on the flash point among other things. Gasoline blow-by lowers the
flash point and adds some nifty carcinogens into the mix.
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Jan Nielsen
2006-09-15 06:36:06 UTC
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Post by Cliff
The prohibited the Lead some years ago and most folks
change their oil way before it's very "dirty".
Read an article in an old (+50 years) Popular Mechanic about a company
that recycled motor oil. IIRC the filtering was done through stacked old news
papers which removed all impurities and left the oil perfectly clean.
New additives were then added to bring the oil up to specs. Better for the
Environment than just pouring it on gravel roads to bind the dust.

When I worked as a mechanic back in the seventies, we changed the oil after
1000 miles... highway robbery if you ask me! Personally, I just top up the ol'
wreck once or twice a year.
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D Murphy
2006-09-14 21:12:29 UTC
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Post by Why
Post by D Murphy
STP or similar works well as a cutting oil additive. It's the EP
chemicals that work the magic.
Hmm, never tried that, but it's very thick.
Right now I use hangsterfers 5418. What say Dan?
Hangsterfers sells an additive called J1 Aldraw if I remember the name
right. It does about the same thing.

But I have seen the STP make a difference in tool life in 17-4Ph Stainless.
I still think it's the extreme pressure additives that do the trick. That's
what the Aldraw is. It used to have a very high percentage of chlorinated
parrifins in it. I don't know with today's regulations what's in it
anymore. But with either the STP or the Aldraw you need a strong pump. It
thickens things up pretty good.

Aldraw also works wonders when ruunning stainless in a stationary guide
bushing. Using an EP additive and a Meehanite bushing you can damn near run
any rpm without the material seizing up.

Oil of wintergreen is also alleged to have some magical effects on tool
life in stainless. I've never been able to find it in large enough
quantities/cheap enough to give it a try.

Prolly clear up the sinuses if nothing else.

BTW, we ran 5418 in most of our machines at IMTS. It was a bit smokey on
some of the stainless demos. We've been using Blaser Vascomill 22(?) in our
shop for a while. It's a veggie based oil. Stinks like hell when it's new
but it's not bad at all once it has mellowed a bit. Works great in
stainless and Titanium. Doesn't seem to stain brass and aluminum either.
It's clear too which helps you to see what's going on. But it is $pendy.
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Cliff
2006-09-15 04:35:56 UTC
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STP
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/dom01.htm
" ... will allow you to take your brain out of you head and examine it .."
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Cliff
Cliff
2006-09-15 04:45:35 UTC
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Post by D Murphy
Oil of wintergreen is also alleged to have some magical effects on tool
life in stainless. I've never been able to find it in large enough
quantities/cheap enough to give it a try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_salicylate
I'd not bother to stink up the place.
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D Murphy
2006-09-15 06:05:05 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by D Murphy
Oil of wintergreen is also alleged to have some magical effects on tool
life in stainless. I've never been able to find it in large enough
quantities/cheap enough to give it a try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_salicylate
I'd not bother to stink up the place.
The MSDS for STP reveals it is heavily processed mineral oil and zinc
compounds.

It looks to me like it's sulpher oil EP additive. No wonder it helps. It
would probably make a great tapping fluid used straight up.
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Dan

Scopulus est usquequaque nefas
MyUncle
2006-09-15 06:20:57 UTC
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Wintergreen Leaf Oil.....My dad called it liquid Magic. Disapates heat
and stops gauling(sp) RIGHT NOW!

Regards,

Frankie
Post by D Murphy
Post by Cliff
Post by D Murphy
Oil of wintergreen is also alleged to have some magical effects on tool
life in stainless. I've never been able to find it in large enough
quantities/cheap enough to give it a try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_salicylate
I'd not bother to stink up the place.
The MSDS for STP reveals it is heavily processed mineral oil and zinc
compounds.
It looks to me like it's sulpher oil EP additive. No wonder it helps. It
would probably make a great tapping fluid used straight up.
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Dan
Scopulus est usquequaque nefas
Gunner
2006-09-15 07:31:34 UTC
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Post by D Murphy
Post by Cliff
Post by D Murphy
Oil of wintergreen is also alleged to have some magical effects on tool
life in stainless. I've never been able to find it in large enough
quantities/cheap enough to give it a try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_salicylate
I'd not bother to stink up the place.
The MSDS for STP reveals it is heavily processed mineral oil and zinc
compounds.
It looks to me like it's sulpher oil EP additive. No wonder it helps. It
would probably make a great tapping fluid used straight up.
It does. Also works great when mixed 50/50 with light machine oil for
resizing cartridge brass. A quart has lasted me 15 yrs so far. I think
Ive got about another 10 yrs worth left.

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3
Why
2006-09-15 17:58:42 UTC
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Post by D Murphy
Post by Cliff
Post by D Murphy
Oil of wintergreen is also alleged to have some magical effects on tool
life in stainless. I've never been able to find it in large enough
quantities/cheap enough to give it a try.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_salicylate
I'd not bother to stink up the place.
The MSDS for STP reveals it is heavily processed mineral oil and zinc
compounds.
It looks to me like it's sulpher oil EP additive. No wonder it helps. It
would probably make a great tapping fluid used straight up.
Dan STP works to good when I have to tap some 304 parts thru in my
drill press with an air collet closer & a taping head, Only 100 pcs
not worth the time to try to finish on the CNC's.
Well with only .150 sticking out of a soft bored collet (part is .312
long), just try to grab the tapped part out of the collet !

Remember the STP ad that showed a screwdriver that you couldn't pick
up with STP on it? Maybe only OLD farts remember that, I do <Grin>.

You should look into the Hangsterfer's CC442, it's clear as water, I
have some and are trying it. Says it's got all the good Sulphur stuff.
It is thicker than the 5418 but mixes well with it.
D Murphy
2006-09-15 21:56:37 UTC
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Post by Why
Remember the STP ad that showed a screwdriver that you couldn't pick
up with STP on it? Maybe only OLD farts remember that, I do <Grin>.
Yup. Remember the red stickers? I had my bedroom covered in em when I was a
kid. Plus Bardahl, Crane Cams, Hooker Headers, etc..
Post by Why
You should look into the Hangsterfer's CC442, it's clear as water, I
have some and are trying it. Says it's got all the good Sulphur stuff.
It is thicker than the 5418 but mixes well with it.
I would but I never see the Hagsterfers guy anymore. The Blaser guy stops
in regular and takes good care of us. Plus he'll do a BOGO when a customer
buys a machine.

I do have a drum of Hangsterfers that I need to get rid of. It has some EP
additive in it plus it got mixed with some Blaser. Maybe I should post it
in RCM, it would be about a lifetime supply for a hobbiest.
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Dan

Scopulus est usquequaque nefas
c***@lycos.com
2006-09-15 19:22:33 UTC
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Post by Why
Used motor oil has so much crap in it I wouldn't put it any machine.
But then "might" be better than Toilet water <g>.
Having to work with toilet water, I think the motor oil would be
preferable.

What a choice, gooey, slimey, sticky, possibly bacterial ridden and
oily vs oily.

Wes S
Cliff
2006-09-15 22:09:54 UTC
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Post by c***@lycos.com
Post by Why
Used motor oil has so much crap in it I wouldn't put it any machine.
But then "might" be better than Toilet water <g>.
Having to work with toilet water, I think the motor oil would be
preferable.
Probably not unless it contains the proper additives or you are
a very slow shop (why do screw machines have such low SFM??)
Post by c***@lycos.com
What a choice, gooey, slimey, sticky, possibly bacterial ridden and
oily vs oily.
An actual shop with actual machinists would properly maintain the fluid <G>.
Post by c***@lycos.com
Wes S
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Cliff
Wayne Weedon
2006-09-14 09:38:58 UTC
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Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
Only drawbacks that affect me are that 1. It can be messy 2. Some smoke
issues on harder materials, 3. The oil can stain some materials.
It will not stain brass IF you wash the days run in Naptha before you
quit.
For us UK guys what exactly is Naptha? Methylated Spirit?, Turps?
I've only ever heard it mentioned on US DIY shows ;)
Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
The cost is an issue too, my HXL-S holds 25 gallons of neat cutting oil.
Total replacement costs a fair bit!
Yep, but you only have to buy oil once.
True.. But here if you move a machine here on the road, they have to
be emptied by law. I got a couple here witch are dry :(

Wayne...
Wayne Weedon
2006-09-14 09:41:17 UTC
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Post by Wayne Weedon
True.. But here if you move a machine here on the road, they have to
be emptied by law. I got a couple here "witch" are dry :(
Doh... witch?? Which, I was looking at the wife honestly LOL....
Cliff
2006-09-14 09:43:16 UTC
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Post by Wayne Weedon
For us UK guys what exactly is Naptha? Methylated Spirit?, Turps?
I've only ever heard it mentioned on US DIY shows ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naptha
Nobody knows <G>.

But it's not good to have in contact with your skin
for long. Nor to spill on your shoes ....
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Cliff
Why
2006-09-14 16:24:26 UTC
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Post by Wayne Weedon
Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
Only drawbacks that affect me are that 1. It can be messy 2. Some smoke
issues on harder materials, 3. The oil can stain some materials.
It will not stain brass IF you wash the days run in Naptha before you
quit.
For us UK guys what exactly is Naptha? Methylated Spirit?, Turps?
I've only ever heard it mentioned on US DIY shows ;)
Well, it's what they used to use to thin paint. I can wash parts in it
& put them in my blow drier & they are bone dry in 20 mins.
It's not like kerosine, not oily.
MyUncle
2006-09-15 06:18:40 UTC
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FYI! Zippo Lighter fluid is Naptha also...Mineral Spirits Cleaning
Solvent!
Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
Post by Why
Post by Wayne Weedon
Only drawbacks that affect me are that 1. It can be messy 2. Some smoke
issues on harder materials, 3. The oil can stain some materials.
It will not stain brass IF you wash the days run in Naptha before you
quit.
For us UK guys what exactly is Naptha? Methylated Spirit?, Turps?
I've only ever heard it mentioned on US DIY shows ;)
Well, it's what they used to use to thin paint. I can wash parts in it
& put them in my blow drier & they are bone dry in 20 mins.
It's not like kerosine, not oily.
Bryce
2006-09-21 17:50:46 UTC
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Post by Wayne Weedon
The cost is an issue too, my HXL-S holds 25 gallons of neat cutting oil.
Total replacement costs a fair bit!
Heh, we've got a 32mm sliding head machine that holds 120 gallons.
Two barrels and you still just about need to top the thing off. Fun.

We make lots of expensive parts on it though. In house parts, so I
don't really know what the productivity is, but theoretically that
machine makes us a lot of money.
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c***@lycos.com
2006-09-13 19:00:39 UTC
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Post by Why
And you don't need a skimmer, Skim for what "tramp oil in a oil
machine" ? <Grin>.
Hey, a good reason for oil. No more "my skimmer is broken" calls.

Wes S
Anthony
2006-09-13 21:58:45 UTC
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Post by Why
Yep, but not worn out slides, gibs, with OIL <G>.
And you don't need a skimmer, Skim for what "tramp oil in a oil
machine" ? <Grin>.
But, it can cause some serious problems with some surface treatments that
may need to be done after machining.
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You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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Garlicdude
2006-09-13 22:44:52 UTC
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Post by Anthony
Post by Why
Yep, but not worn out slides, gibs, with OIL <G>.
And you don't need a skimmer, Skim for what "tramp oil in a oil
machine" ? <Grin>.
But, it can cause some serious problems with some surface treatments that
may need to be done after machining.
Around silly Cone Gulch cutting fluids that contain sulpher, chlorine
and other things aren't allowed because of outgassing in vacuum.
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aka The Garlic Dude ©
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World
http://www.pulsareng.com/
Why
2006-09-14 16:02:44 UTC
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Post by Garlicdude
Post by Anthony
Post by Why
Yep, but not worn out slides, gibs, with OIL <G>.
And you don't need a skimmer, Skim for what "tramp oil in a oil
machine" ? <Grin>.
But, it can cause some serious problems with some surface treatments that
may need to be done after machining.
Around silly Cone Gulch cutting fluids that contain sulpher, chlorine
and other things aren't allowed because of outgassing in vacuum.
Guess it does screw up the garlic smell <Grin>.
Cliff
2006-09-13 19:08:25 UTC
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Post by c***@lycos.com
Post by Wayne Weedon
BUT I'll tell you that cutting oil does the PVC sheaved cables no good
whatsoever. I have recently found this out whilst retrofitting the
machine, just about all the cables that spent their life exposed in any
way to the neat cutting oil are now as stiff as posts.
Toliet water does't do any better. I've replaced a lot of stiff or
broken cables.
As some types age the plasticizers can bleed out or be
dissolved leaving behind brittle shrunken plastic.
Solvents, such as water & some oils/cutting fluids, might
speed this.
--
Cliff
Cliff
2006-09-12 20:45:30 UTC
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Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Let Cliff write your programs. There may be something in the Guinness
Book of World Records under "Most machines crashed by a clueless
programmer", or "Manufacturings biggest crashes by the biggest
blowhard." It is very possible Cliff is the worlds greatest machine
crasher in several different categories. Over several generations.
Globally. He could very well be responsible for the 1982 recession. He
may have been the reason the Japanese took over the American automotive
market. The full extent of Cliffs influence over manufacturing may never
be calculated due to the volume. It feels good to recognize anothers
achievments and compliment them on a job well done. Good job Cliff!
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
In each case the operator had put bad numbers in the offsets.
I'd not known of jb back then <VBG>.

HTH
--
Cliff
Bill Roberto
2006-09-12 22:06:20 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
The Hindenburg and the Titanic?
Steve Mackay
2006-09-12 22:42:55 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Let Cliff write your programs. There may be something in the Guinness
Book of World Records under "Most machines crashed by a clueless
programmer", or "Manufacturings biggest crashes by the biggest
blowhard." It is very possible Cliff is the worlds greatest machine
crasher in several different categories. Over several generations.
Globally. He could very well be responsible for the 1982 recession. He
may have been the reason the Japanese took over the American automotive
market. The full extent of Cliffs influence over manufacturing may never
be calculated due to the volume. It feels good to recognize anothers
achievments and compliment them on a job well done. Good job Cliff!
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
In each case the operator had put bad numbers in the offsets.
I'd not known of jb back then <VBG>.
HTH
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie, post your political bullshit, and dry hump JB.
Anthony
2006-09-12 22:54:25 UTC
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Post by Steve Mackay
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie, post your political bullshit, and dry hump JB.
About as credible as any politician.
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You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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cncfixxer
2006-09-13 02:27:44 UTC
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Post by Anthony
Post by Steve Mackay
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie, post your political bullshit, and dry hump JB.
About as credible as any politician.
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You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.
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Take Pity on Cliffy ...he means well,,, but then so did Jimmy Carter
PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-13 02:37:08 UTC
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Post by cncfixxer
Post by Anthony
Post by Steve Mackay
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie, post your political bullshit, and dry hump JB.
About as credible as any politician.
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You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.
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Take Pity on Cliffy ...he means well,,, but then so did Jimmy Carter
Then there was his brother, "Billy"...

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c***@lycos.com
2006-09-13 19:02:15 UTC
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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
Post by cncfixxer
Take Pity on Cliffy ...he means well,,, but then so did Jimmy Carter
Then there was his brother, "Billy"...
Billy was the least embarrassing Carter.
Bill Roberto
2006-09-12 23:37:59 UTC
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Post by Steve Mackay
Post by Cliff
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
In each case the operator had put bad numbers in the offsets.
I'd not known of jb back then <VBG>.
HTH
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie, post your political bullshit, and dry hump JB.
C'mon Steve this is liars poker. Would you believe I performed 478 open
heart transplants and have never lost a patient? Would you believe I can
do brain surgery and have operated and saved more than 226 patients.
Would you also believe I almost have the cures for cancer, herpes, and
the common cold? Would you believe Cliff even knows what the inside of a
machine shop looks like and what it is they do?
Cliff
2006-09-13 10:50:50 UTC
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Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Steve Mackay
Post by Cliff
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
In each case the operator had put bad numbers in the offsets.
I'd not known of jb back then <VBG>.
HTH
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie, post your political bullshit, and dry hump JB.
C'mon Steve this is liars poker. Would you believe I performed 478 open
heart transplants and have never lost a patient? Would you believe I can
do brain surgery and have operated and saved more than 226 patients.
Would you also believe I almost have the cures for cancer, herpes, and
the common cold? Would you believe Cliff even knows what the inside of a
machine shop looks like and what it is they do?
I've heard rumors of some of YOUR famed crashes <VBG>.
Have some tales to tell?
--
Cliff
Bill Roberto
2006-09-13 12:30:40 UTC
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Post by Cliff
I've heard rumors of some of YOUR famed crashes <VBG>.
Have some tales to tell?
I've heard rumors that YOUR crashes are directly responsible for
manufacturing going to China. Care to elaborate?
Cliff
2006-09-13 19:05:02 UTC
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Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Cliff
I've heard rumors of some of YOUR famed crashes <VBG>.
Have some tales to tell?
Did they ever get it fixed?
Post by Bill Roberto
I've heard rumors that YOUR crashes are directly responsible for
manufacturing going to China. Care to elaborate?
They were probably warned about jb <G>.
--
Cliff
Bill Roberto
2006-09-13 20:28:38 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by Cliff
I've heard rumors of some of YOUR famed crashes <VBG>.
Have some tales to tell?
Did they ever get it fixed?
Get what fixed? Are you on medication that has hallucinations on it's
list of side effects?
Cliff
2006-09-13 10:49:15 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:42:55 GMT, Steve Mackay <***@hotmil.com> wrote:

Still posting from the cultural outback of the US?
Post by Steve Mackay
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie,
If only you could find one ....
Post by Steve Mackay
post your political bullshit,
I never claimed that there were any "WMDs".
Nor have you whined about the endless wingers.
Post by Steve Mackay
and dry hump JB.
He's funny (and clueless).

Famous Republican saying: "Everything is fine in politics as long as you
don't get caught in bed with a live man, or a dead woman.”

[
Quotes: Family Guy: Peter
[Riding a circus elephant]
Peter: Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a
fat white guy who is threatened by change.
]

HTH
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Cliff
Steve Mackay
2006-09-13 15:54:01 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Still posting from the cultural outback of the US?
Post by Steve Mackay
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie,
If only you could find one ....
Are you really that stupid? I've personally caught, and confronted you
with your lies.
Post by Cliff
Post by Steve Mackay
post your political bullshit,
I never claimed that there were any "WMDs".
Nor have you whined about the endless wingers.
Excuse me? I don't give a fuck WHO you vote for. Political posting don't
belong here.

Typical cliffy. Point the finger somewhere else. You're nothing short of
pathetic.

Yes I have said the same thing about gunner and his bullshit as well.
You two are the biggest reason AMC is the steaming shit pile it's become.

Proud of that Cliffy?
Post by Cliff
Post by Steve Mackay
and dry hump JB.
He's funny (and clueless).
You're stupid and clueless, but I'm not about to dry hump you.
Cliff
2006-09-13 19:10:43 UTC
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Post by Steve Mackay
Post by Cliff
Still posting from the cultural outback of the US?
Post by Steve Mackay
And how is ANYONE supposed to believe you Cliff? The only thing you do
around here is lie,
If only you could find one ....
Are you really that stupid? I've personally caught, and confronted you
with your lies.
And been wrong.
Post by Steve Mackay
Post by Cliff
Post by Steve Mackay
post your political bullshit,
I never claimed that there were any "WMDs".
Nor have you whined about the endless wingers.
Excuse me? I don't give a fuck WHO you vote for. Political posting don't
belong here.
Nor have you whined about the endless wingers.
Post by Steve Mackay
Typical cliffy. Point the finger somewhere else. You're nothing short of
pathetic.
I never claimed that there were any "WMDs".
Post by Steve Mackay
Yes I have said the same thing about gunner and his bullshit as well.
Not that I recall.
Post by Steve Mackay
You two are the biggest reason AMC is the steaming shit pile it's become.
Found jb lately?
Post by Steve Mackay
Proud of that Cliffy?
Post by Cliff
Post by Steve Mackay
and dry hump JB.
He's funny (and clueless).
You're stupid and clueless, but I'm not about to dry hump you.
Looking for jb?
--
Cliff
Steve Mackay
2006-09-13 15:55:53 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Let Cliff write your programs. There may be something in the Guinness
Book of World Records under "Most machines crashed by a clueless
programmer", or "Manufacturings biggest crashes by the biggest
blowhard." It is very possible Cliff is the worlds greatest machine
crasher in several different categories. Over several generations.
Globally. He could very well be responsible for the 1982 recession. He
may have been the reason the Japanese took over the American automotive
market. The full extent of Cliffs influence over manufacturing may never
be calculated due to the volume. It feels good to recognize anothers
achievments and compliment them on a job well done. Good job Cliff!
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
So that's a 100% scrap in you career?
Post by Cliff
In each case the operator had put bad numbers in the offsets.
Well, maybe next time don't act as the operator.
Cliff
2006-09-13 19:14:17 UTC
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Post by Steve Mackay
Post by Cliff
Post by Bill Roberto
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Let Cliff write your programs. There may be something in the Guinness
Book of World Records under "Most machines crashed by a clueless
programmer", or "Manufacturings biggest crashes by the biggest
blowhard." It is very possible Cliff is the worlds greatest machine
crasher in several different categories. Over several generations.
Globally. He could very well be responsible for the 1982 recession. He
may have been the reason the Japanese took over the American automotive
market. The full extent of Cliffs influence over manufacturing may never
be calculated due to the volume. It feels good to recognize anothers
achievments and compliment them on a job well done. Good job Cliff!
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
So that's a 100% scrap in you career?
One was an Aluminum test part ... not a high-value real
one. It was still good for the purpose too.
The other was a rough forging with lots of stock IIRC. Bad for the
machine but not the forging.
Post by Steve Mackay
Post by Cliff
In each case the operator had put bad numbers in the offsets.
Well, maybe next time don't act as the operator.
I did goof once with a program edit .... but no crash. Just
cut the wrong geometry for a bit.
How are YOU doing <GG>?
--
Cliff
Garlicdude
2006-09-13 20:04:24 UTC
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Post by Steve Mackay
Post by Cliff
Two of my programs crashed over the years.
So that's a 100% scrap in you career?
Post by Cliff
In each case the operator had put bad numbers in the offsets.
Well, maybe next time don't act as the operator.
LOL
--
Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude ©
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World
http://www.pulsareng.com/
Michael
2006-09-12 14:10:57 UTC
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Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:48:46 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
Thank You,
Randy
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Magnesium dust! Mag must be cut with a heavy chip load at *ALL* times.
--
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Cliff
2006-09-12 20:47:09 UTC
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Post by Michael
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:48:46 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
Thank You,
Randy
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Magnesium dust!
You were there?
Post by Michael
Mag must be cut with a heavy chip load at *ALL* times.
<Sheesh>.
Is that clay dry yet?
--
Cliff
Petersen_Michael
2006-09-12 18:41:08 UTC
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Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut? oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Several years ago, I had a burn in a Colshester 2000 CNC lathe
due to the fact that we used oil for colant, and the partofftool broke,
while I was at a coffie break..
10 minutes later, my break was off, and I notised all the smoke in the shop,
grapped a Co2 firedestingwisher.
The lathe was fixable, 2 weks later, it was up and running like new..
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Residerende i Nyborg

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PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-13 02:45:12 UTC
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Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut?
Yes, and I'd suspect it was Ti, because of all the little black specks /
sooting....beings as a magnesium fire generally only leaves copious amounts
of white smoke / ash...though, throw hydrocarbons into the mix and it's
anyone's guess.
Post by Randy
oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Umm, just always cut dry and also try and leave lots of chips, esp little
fine ones within in the cutting zone....

--

SVL
Randy
2006-09-13 12:29:18 UTC
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Workpeice is still there, tool is not, could have been a chip fire
that never got hot enough to ignite the whole piece. I'm guessing the
white residue is dry chem. extinguisher powder.

looks like the fire was in the pocket, the clamp on that end of the
piece is gone. Bottom of the workpiece is burned through. so skip
the above about the piece not igniting.

Only metal I've ever burned is a piece of magnesium ribbon.



On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:45:12 -0700, "PrecisionMachinisT"
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
Post by Randy
Exotic metal being cut?
Yes, and I'd suspect it was Ti, because of all the little black specks /
sooting....beings as a magnesium fire generally only leaves copious amounts
of white smoke / ash...though, throw hydrocarbons into the mix and it's
anyone's guess.
Post by Randy
oil for coolant? How does one start the
inside of a machine on fire? (just so I never do it)
Umm, just always cut dry and also try and leave lots of chips, esp little
fine ones within in the cutting zone....
Thank You,
Randy

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Cliff
2006-09-13 19:16:05 UTC
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Post by Randy
I'm guessing the
white residue is dry chem. extinguisher powder.
That & the smoke might not be good for the electrical bits which
looked good otherwise.
Makes you wonder if anything warped too.
--
Cliff
Jon Elson
2006-09-14 22:02:15 UTC
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Post by Cliff
Post by Randy
I'm guessing the
white residue is dry chem. extinguisher powder.
That & the smoke might not be good for the electrical bits which
looked good otherwise.
Makes you wonder if anything warped too.
Oh, the spindle has got to have been severely heated, looking at the
side of the
head. The streaks on the remains of the cabinet indicates serious
water-based
fire extinguishing was used. If you've ever seen what happens when the
firemen
hit a burning VW (original) beetle engine with the booster hose, it is
like a 4th
of July ground display. So, if somebody turned the hose on this thing
while it
had burning Magnesium in it, it would have been like pouring thermite into
the machine! From the looks of things, that's about what happened, too. I
seriously doubt the machine could be rebuilt unless you treated it as a
pile of
raw castings to be remachined.

Jon
c***@lycos.com
2006-09-12 19:37:53 UTC
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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
One good reason to use toilet water.
clay
2006-09-13 15:27:16 UTC
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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
--
SVL
so why does a 1998 fadal only have a cnc88 control?

and if they are only selling it for parts, then do they know something
that they are not telling? Like, they got the insurance money, for
repair, but the insurance company doesn't know they are selling it?
seems a little odd...
MM
2006-09-13 22:09:56 UTC
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Clay,

He probably didn't report it to his insurance. Machining magnesium may not
be covered under his policy.

Our insurance doesn't cover it. Even so, the boss still trys to get us to
use it on our designs. He doesn't really understand what can happen. I
emailed these pictures to him, I think he gets it now.


Mark
Post by clay
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
--
SVL
so why does a 1998 fadal only have a cnc88 control?
and if they are only selling it for parts, then do they know something
that they are not telling? Like, they got the insurance money, for
repair, but the insurance company doesn't know they are selling it?
seems a little odd...
PrecisionMachinisT
2006-09-14 05:35:08 UTC
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Post by clay
Post by PrecisionMachinisT
http://tinyurl.com/jvtz6
--
SVL
so why does a 1998 fadal only have a cnc88 control?
They kept revising the cnc88 software to permit hardware upgrades up until
the sys99 model was introduced.
Post by clay
and if they are only selling it for parts, then do they know something
that they are not telling? Like, they got the insurance money, for
repair, but the insurance company doesn't know they are selling it?
seems a little odd...
Probly barely worth the time in fiddling with it after rigging and
transportation costs are taken into consideration.

--

SVL
Jon Elson
2006-09-14 22:04:40 UTC
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Post by PrecisionMachinisT
Probly barely worth the time in fiddling with it after rigging and
transportation costs are taken into consideration.
Somebody might pull all the electronics, motors, hydraulics, etc. out of
it and leave
the heap of scrap metal behind. That is probably the only way it is
worth a grand,
and then only maybe. Very maybe!

Jon
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