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Mastercam users...a challange...
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vinny
2010-06-01 23:41:29 UTC
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Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.

How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
Joe788
2010-06-02 01:45:48 UTC
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 Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
 How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
 Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
   If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
Dynamic pocket with a chain selected for the entry profile should do
it. I've never done it though.
Joe788
2010-06-02 01:51:56 UTC
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 Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
Mastercam is very good at wasting lots of time and that IS true.

Then again, no matter how good Mastercam could be made you'd still
struggle at the basics like you did with ramping using Lead- In, Lead-
Out.

How many years did it take you to figure that out?

You, the real/fake Joe788, Cliffy Huprich and Tom Brewer must have all
attended the Earl Scheib school of CAM programming.

Try purchasing a Mike Mattera Mastercam training CD and get a fucking
clue you worthless, loser.
 How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
 Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
   If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
Cross-Slide
2010-06-02 03:02:44 UTC
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Post by Joe788
 Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
Mastercam is very good at wasting lots of time and that IS true.
Then again, no matter how good Mastercam could be made you'd still
struggle at the basics like you did with ramping using Lead- In, Lead-
Out.
How many years did it take you to figure that out?
You, the real/fake Joe788, Cliffy Huprich and Tom Brewer must have all
attended the Earl Scheib school of CAM programming.
Try purchasing a Mike Mattera Mastercam training CD and get a fucking
clue you worthless, loser.
 How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
 Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
   If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
Jon,

If you are going to steal the identity of a motocross racer, you need
to learn to ride..
Oh, wait, here is the video of Jon trying to get trained to ride. As
long as he is trying to pretend to be someone else.


Black Dragon
2010-06-02 12:25:15 UTC
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Post by Cross-Slide
If you are going to steal the identity of a motocross racer, you need
to learn to ride..
Oh, wait, here is the video of Jon trying to get trained to ride. As
long as he is trying to pretend to be someone else.
You're fucking pathetic.
Post by Cross-Slide
http://youtu.be/xTXkxsgZqAU
That's a clip from a Crusty Demons of Dirt flick.
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Black Dragon

Be prepared to accept sacrifices.
Vestal virgins aren't all that bad.
Cliff
2010-06-02 21:04:27 UTC
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Post by Cross-Slide
If you are going to steal the identity of a motocross racer, you need
to learn to ride..
Oh, wait, here is the video of Jon trying to get trained to ride. As
long as he is trying to pretend to be someone else.
You're fucking pathetic.
Post by Cross-Slide
http://youtu.be/xTXkxsgZqAU
That's a clip from a Crusty Demons of Dirt flick.
Which one was jb?
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Cliff
Cliff
2010-06-02 08:07:40 UTC
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Post by Joe788
Try purchasing a Mike Mattera Mastercam training CD and get a fucking
clue you worthless, loser.
That's how you "learned" to drill a few holes, is it?

LMAO !!!
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Cliff
vinny
2010-06-02 10:26:35 UTC
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Post by vinny
Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
Mastercam is very good at wasting lots of time and that IS true.

Then again, no matter how good Mastercam could be made you'd still
struggle at the basics like you did with ramping using Lead- In, Lead-
Out.

How many years did it take you to figure that out?

You, the real/fake Joe788, Cliffy Huprich and Tom Brewer must have all
attended the Earl Scheib school of CAM programming.

Try purchasing a Mike Mattera Mastercam training CD and get a fucking
clue you worthless, loser.

*******
Jeesh weirdo, if you don't know...don't reply?

Maybe you should just answer the drilling questi...uhhh, on second thought
maybe just avoid cam questions all together.
Post by vinny
How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
Joe788
2010-06-02 12:44:26 UTC
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On Jun 2, 10:26 am, "vinny" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
*****
Post by vinny
Jeesh weirdo, if you don't know...don't reply?
I've forgotten more about Mastercam than you'll ever know and the
reason why I have is simple:

I invest in quality video Mastercam training and unlike you I don't
feel like I have to steal it.

Now shut your fucking mouth, open your wallet and purchase some
quality Mastercam video training.

Got that, bitch?
Post by vinny
Maybe you should just answer the drilling questi...uhhh, on second thought
maybe just avoid cam questions all together.
Maybe you can learn to avoid making yourself look as dumb and as
stupid at Mastercam as Cliffy Huprich does but I doubt it.

Drilling in Mastercam often means combining two ops to get one
efficient one. Better yet is if the company you work for realizes what
a shit job Mastercam does at drilling and purchases an expensive add-
in like Pro Drill to get the job done right the first time /
efficiently.

Getting the message yet, you fucking worthless loser?
Joe788
2010-06-02 14:36:06 UTC
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*****
Post by vinny
Jeesh weirdo, if you don't know...don't reply?
I've forgotten more about Mastercam than you'll ever know and the
I invest in quality video Mastercam training and unlike you I don't
feel like I have to steal it.
Now shut your fucking mouth, open your wallet and purchase some
quality Mastercam video training.
Got that, bitch?
Post by vinny
Maybe you should just answer the drilling questi...uhhh, on second thought
maybe just avoid cam questions all together.
Maybe you can learn to avoid making yourself look as dumb and as
stupid at Mastercam as Cliffy Huprich does but I doubt it.
Drilling in Mastercam often means combining two ops to get one
efficient one. Better yet is if the company you work for realizes what
a shit job Mastercam does at drilling and purchases an expensive add-
in like Pro Drill to get the job done right the first time /
efficiently.
Getting the message yet, you fucking worthless loser?
LOL! That's why you were unable to answer his question, right Jon? And
that's why you struggled so bad with such difficult tasks as Mask On
Arc, open pocketing, chaining, and countless others?

I thought you loved to "get specific"?
Cliff
2010-06-02 21:03:34 UTC
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Post by Joe788
*****
Post by vinny
Jeesh weirdo, if you don't know...don't reply?
I've forgotten more about Mastercam than you'll ever know and the
I invest in quality video Mastercam training and unlike you I don't
feel like I have to steal it.
Hence your looking for all that cracked software & begging people
to make specific videos just for you (too dumb to read the instructions).
Post by Joe788
Now shut your fucking mouth, open your wallet and purchase some
quality Mastercam video training.
Got that, bitch?
IOW He STILL cannot drill holes !!!

LMAO !!
Post by Joe788
Post by vinny
Maybe you should just answer the drilling questi...uhhh, on second thought
maybe just avoid cam questions all together.
Maybe you can learn to avoid making yourself look as dumb and as
stupid at Mastercam as Cliffy Huprich does but I doubt it.
I had absolutely no problem knowing how to drill those holes.
<Snicker>

Nor did a 10 year old (I heard). He'd never used it before .....
Post by Joe788
Drilling in Mastercam often means combining two ops to get one
efficient one.
Or reading the quite simple instructions right there in front of you. LOL.
Post by Joe788
Better yet is if the company you work for realizes what
a shit job Mastercam does at drilling
The drill does not turn, eh?
Why not hire a programmer?
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and purchases an expensive add-
in like Pro Drill to get the job done right the first time /
efficiently.
Getting the message yet, you fucking worthless loser?
Still driving a truck? Union?
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Cliff
vinny
2010-06-02 23:10:12 UTC
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"Joe788" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:edf5061f-f0eb-45e7-a925-***@o1g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 2, 10:26 am, "vinny" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
*****
Post by vinny
Jeesh weirdo, if you don't know...don't reply?
I've forgotten more about Mastercam than you'll ever know and the
reason why I have is simple: (you have alzheimers?)

I invest in quality video Mastercam training and unlike you I don't
feel like I have to steal it. (most people get their jobs to buy that crap,
but feel free to get that crap on tool credit dumbass, it helps the economy)

Now shut your fucking mouth, open your wallet and purchase some
quality Mastercam video training. (lol...I'd do better spending my money on
a paper bag full of shrooms)

Got that, bitch?
Post by vinny
Maybe you should just answer the drilling questi...uhhh, on second thought
maybe just avoid cam questions all together.
Maybe you can learn to avoid making yourself look as dumb and as
stupid at Mastercam as Cliffy Huprich does but I doubt it.

Drilling in Mastercam often means combining two ops to get one
efficient one. Better yet is if the company you work for realizes what
a shit job Mastercam does at drilling and purchases an expensive add-
in like Pro Drill to get the job done right the first time /
efficiently.

Getting the message yet, you fucking worthless loser?

*********
no.
We don't drill shit, a few holes here and there, and considering the
complexity of drilling a hole I really would feel fucking stupid even
bringing it up in a meeting.
The shop has Cimitron. the shop uses Cimitron. I use mastercam because
there's no seat for me of cimitron and one of mastercam sitting vacant. I
use mastercam to mill, not drill. I have not drilled one fucking hole in 2
years on a cnc.
DO YOU GET THE POINT DUMBFUK?

Jeesh, do we have to go on another "point out how skilless johhny is"
journey? Just stfu and drill your circuit boards on your old beat fadel and
don't worry how the programming department makes the code...or have you lost
that job already?
DanP
2010-06-02 08:47:41 UTC
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 Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
 How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
 Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
   If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
V9 can.
Have Max rough step in depth cuts something big, tick keep tool down.
In Roughing tab pick Entry-helix, big value for roughing stepover,
have finish keep tool down.

Then if you do that often right click on the pocket cycle and save it
to library.
Next time you need it you pick the chain and that's it.


DanP
vinny
2010-06-02 10:36:26 UTC
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Post by vinny
Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
V9 can.
Have Max rough step in depth cuts something big, tick keep tool down.
In Roughing tab pick Entry-helix, big value for roughing stepover,
have finish keep tool down.

Then if you do that often right click on the pocket cycle and save it
to library.
Next time you need it you pick the chain and that's it.


DanP
*********

I'm not sure that does what I'm looking for unless I don't understand ya.
Lets say I have a pocket with .005 on the walls and .03 on the floor, and
its like 60 rockwell.
The two op method is to use contour with ramp and spiral down the walls
till you get .03 from the bottom, then go into the second op...a pocket to
pocket the .03 out and finish the floor.
It just seems so common I feel there might be a one step method.

in another reply I was told to use dynamic pocket.
Guess I'll be reading the help files later.
DanP
2010-06-02 11:44:48 UTC
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  I'm not sure that does what I'm looking for unless I don't understand ya.
 Lets say I have a pocket with .005 on the walls and .03 on the floor, and
its like 60 rockwell.
  The two op method is to use contour with ramp and spiral down the walls
till you get .03 from the bottom, then go into the second op...a pocket to
pocket the .03 out and finish the floor.
   It just seems so common I feel there might be a one step method.
  in another reply I was told to use dynamic pocket.
Guess I'll be reading the help files later.
A picture is worth a thousand words: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danpetre/4663176702/sizes/l/

The helix cut down the walls does not cut to size. If you want to cut
to (nearly) size then make finish pass spacing a very low value.
You will not be able to use cutter comp on the helix with this cycle,
only on the finish pass at final depth, so flute of the tool has to be
taller than the pocket if you use cutter comp.

I do not see "dynamic pocket" in this thread. I have mentioned morph
in a previous reply, can do a snapshot of that if you want.


DanP
vinny
2010-06-02 23:15:56 UTC
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Post by vinny
I'm not sure that does what I'm looking for unless I don't understand ya.
Lets say I have a pocket with .005 on the walls and .03 on the floor, and
its like 60 rockwell.
The two op method is to use contour with ramp and spiral down the walls
till you get .03 from the bottom, then go into the second op...a pocket to
pocket the .03 out and finish the floor.
It just seems so common I feel there might be a one step method.
in another reply I was told to use dynamic pocket.
Guess I'll be reading the help files later.
A picture is worth a thousand words:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danpetre/4663176702/sizes/l/

The helix cut down the walls does not cut to size. If you want to cut
to (nearly) size then make finish pass spacing a very low value.
You will not be able to use cutter comp on the helix with this cycle,
only on the finish pass at final depth, so flute of the tool has to be
taller than the pocket if you use cutter comp.

I do not see "dynamic pocket" in this thread. I have mentioned morph
in a previous reply, can do a snapshot of that if you want.


DanP

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That's a round pocket. Not fair. You used the leadin as the cut.
The best I could come up with was making a 2 op cut, and saving it called
V-POCKET. The first op is a contour with ramp so it will spiral the
walls...with cutter comp. Put the actual amount of stock on the floor in the
"stock to leave on floor". The second op is a pocket cut, pocketing the
floor with cutter comp.
Workes perfect, but I still think it should be built into the pocket
gimmic. It's got to be common as it gets?
sdfgsdg
2010-06-02 09:30:03 UTC
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Post by vinny
Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
MasterCAM for CAM is kinda like an M1 carbine was for war. Great fun
untill you had to actually kill something.
I saw the Alpha - albeit a year ago - of X(x) lathe. The Alpha mind you.
The lathe is easily five years behind esprit. And I see NX is no slouch.
I see the last little zinger about two ops. If two ops gets a good part to
the customer in a timly fashion, quit yer bitchin' and shake what mama gave
ya.
If you can't do it any ops, *there* is your argument.
vinny
2010-06-02 10:30:59 UTC
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Post by vinny
Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
MasterCAM for CAM is kinda like an M1 carbine was for war. Great fun
untill you had to actually kill something.
I saw the Alpha - albeit a year ago - of X(x) lathe. The Alpha mind you.
The lathe is easily five years behind esprit. And I see NX is no slouch.
I see the last little zinger about two ops. If two ops gets a good part to
the customer in a timly fashion, quit yer bitchin' and shake what mama gave
ya.
If you can't do it any ops, *there* is your argument.
My one op kick was because milling a pocket is sorta common. And if you heat
treat your work like half or more do, then you prolly always have a
condition of a pocket with stock only at the bottom and on the walls.
After all these years and all those tons of machining routines one should
cover that.
Joe788
2010-06-02 14:42:10 UTC
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Post by sdfgsdg
 Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
 How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005
 on the
floor.
 Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then
 pocket
the floor with one op.
   If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
MasterCAM for CAM is kinda like an M1 carbine was for war. Great fun
untill you had to actually kill something.
I saw the Alpha - albeit a year ago - of X(x) lathe. The Alpha mind you.
The lathe is easily five years behind esprit. And I see NX is no slouch.
I see the last little zinger about two ops. If two ops gets a good part to
the customer in a timly fashion, quit yer bitchin' and shake what mama gave
ya.
If you can't do it any ops, *there* is your argument.
My one op kick was because milling a pocket is sorta common. And if you heat
treat your work like half or more do, then you prolly always have a
condition of a pocket with stock only at the bottom and on the walls.
  After all these years and all those tons of machining routines one should
cover that.
Vinny, I make quite a few pockets, but I've never wanted to ramp down
the walls and then into the floor to finish the floor. If anything,
I'd just helix into the floor at the center and then finish to the
outside. The initial bump into the floor of the pocket is already
going to load the tool more than the rest of the pocket, so I don't
have any desire to be up against a wall while I spike the load on the
bottom. Everybody has different ways of doing stuff though. Wait till
you see some of the 3D stuff in X5!
tnik
2010-06-02 14:51:52 UTC
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Post by Joe788
Vinny, I make quite a few pockets, but I've never wanted to ramp down
the walls and then into the floor to finish the floor. If anything,
I'd just helix into the floor at the center and then finish to the
outside. The initial bump into the floor of the pocket is already
going to load the tool more than the rest of the pocket, so I don't
have any desire to be up against a wall while I spike the load on the
bottom. Everybody has different ways of doing stuff though. Wait till
you see some of the 3D stuff in X5!
Yea, I was thinking the same thing, but then again we really don't know
how tall the walls are. And maybe with the shrinkfit tooling he's using,
the tool is rigid enough to be able to handle ramping down the walls of
the pocket into the floor.
DanP
2010-06-02 16:18:25 UTC
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Post by Joe788
Vinny, I make quite a few pockets, but I've never wanted to ramp down
the walls and then into the floor to finish the floor. If anything,
I'd just helix into the floor at the center and then finish to the
outside. The initial bump into the floor of the pocket is already
going to load the tool more than the rest of the pocket, so I don't
have any desire to be up against a wall while I spike the load on the
bottom. Everybody has different ways of doing stuff though. Wait till
you see some of the 3D stuff in X5!
Yea, I was thinking the same thing, but then again we really don't know
how tall the walls are. And maybe with the shrinkfit tooling he's using,
the tool is rigid enough to be able to handle ramping down the walls of
the pocket into the floor.
That is what I prefer, finish the walls .001" above the floor then
finish the floor parallel lacing 50% stepover then without lifting
finishing the walls again.

The plunge feed to final depth is a lot less than normal feed.


DanP
vinny
2010-06-02 23:17:34 UTC
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Post by Joe788
Vinny, I make quite a few pockets, but I've never wanted to ramp down
the walls and then into the floor to finish the floor. If anything,
I'd just helix into the floor at the center and then finish to the
outside. The initial bump into the floor of the pocket is already
going to load the tool more than the rest of the pocket, so I don't
have any desire to be up against a wall while I spike the load on the
bottom. Everybody has different ways of doing stuff though. Wait till
you see some of the 3D stuff in X5!
Yea, I was thinking the same thing, but then again we really don't know
how tall the walls are. And maybe with the shrinkfit tooling he's using,
the tool is rigid enough to be able to handle ramping down the walls of
the pocket into the floor.
That is what I prefer, finish the walls .001" above the floor then
finish the floor parallel lacing 50% stepover then without lifting
finishing the walls again.

The plunge feed to final depth is a lot less than normal feed.


DanP

****AMEN BROTHER!
Bill
2010-06-04 03:34:59 UTC
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 Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
 How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
 Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
   If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
As you quickly found out... one would never in good machining practice
finish a pocket in such a manner. In most airframe work (and I would
think most other applications): Rough, semi-finish all. Then finish
the floor (staying away from the wall). Last, finish the wall staying
say .002 above the floor. Now if the walls are very tall in relation
to the cutter then it's finishing on the way down - still staying off
the floor.

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Bill
vinny
2010-06-05 23:55:07 UTC
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Post by vinny
Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
As you quickly found out... one would never in good machining practice
finish a pocket in such a manner. In most airframe work (and I would
think most other applications): Rough, semi-finish all. Then finish
the floor (staying away from the wall). Last, finish the wall staying
say .002 above the floor. Now if the walls are very tall in relation
to the cutter then it's finishing on the way down - still staying off
the floor.

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Bill

******
The thing i was pocketing was 54rc. In this case I would spiral down
finishing and when it pockets the floor leave .0005 in the leave stock
gimmick. This is happening at 50-100ipm, making a perfect pocket at any
depth. Turns it into a lathe op kinda. Cutters last forever.
b***@gmail.com
2017-03-14 18:00:25 UTC
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Post by Bill
 Mastercam can do anything....and that might be true.
 How about this...You have a pocket...there's .005 on the walls, .005 on the
floor.
 Can mastercam spiral down the walls till you hit the floor and then pocket
the floor with one op.
   If it takes 2 ops....pffft.
As you quickly found out... one would never in good machining practice
finish a pocket in such a manner. In most airframe work (and I would
think most other applications): Rough, semi-finish all. Then finish
the floor (staying away from the wall). Last, finish the wall staying
say .002 above the floor. Now if the walls are very tall in relation
to the cutter then it's finishing on the way down - still staying off
the floor.
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Bill
b***@gmail.com
2017-03-14 18:34:39 UTC
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new to mastercam but have been machining for a while. having issues with mastercam shutting down when i try a pocket rough toolpath or even finishing toolpaths. It hadn't been and was woundering if its my computer or something i doing wrong in mastercam.
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